What Is the Purpose of Sex Offender Registries?

[Nous]

I was told by the leading expert on sex offenders in my county that there are three laws that protect me.

The leading expert in your county? Link to his/her studies.

Megan and Roberta were girls raped by their fathers.

You don't have a clue to as what you're talking about. Neither Megan Kanka nor Roberta Francis were raped by their fathers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Megan_Kanka
http://www.findmissingkids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=202

That is a horrible thing to say about their fathers.

Brian's Law is not very well known and it is not enforced. It is still on the Supreme Court desk waiting to be heard for it is in clear contradiction to Megan's and Roberta's laws.

I've never heard of "Brian's Law". There is no case of any sort that is waiting to be decided by the Supreme Court. The Court disposed of all it's cases in the first term of 2016, will not be back in session until the first Monday in October, and has not announced the cases to be heard in the second term this year.

I know more about what these laws mean than most, because I had to know. I was told I could push my offender to the federal registry.

Good lord. You really don't have a clue. You should try to get one. Whether or not a sex offender is required to register on any registry has nothing to do with any victim's recommendations.

 

[Nous]

you obviously didn't do the internet search I asked you to do.

One does not need to conduct an internet search in order to know that sex offender registries do not prevent crimes perpetrated by people who are not on them, nor that sex offender registries do not provide proof of anyone's guilt of a crime or that a victim has one type of mental disorder rather than another. Get real.

 

[Nous]

I worked for a state government. I'm very familiar with the procedure and the results.

If you believe that anything stated or quoted in the OP or in any other of my posts on this thread, then be sure to cite your sources to substantiate your claims.

I will ask my questions to you again: Why do you advocate for a measure that the evidence does not show to be effective in reducing recidivism, has even been shown to be associated with increase recidivism, and consumes vast resources that could be used to fund measures that have been shown to be highly effective at reducing recidivism, namely ordinary cognitive-behavioral therapy?

 

[Perditus]

Because I know it does work.

It is more important to protect the victims and the innocent than it is to protect the criminals.

 

[Nous]

The registry for me is not about reducing recidivism, its about protecting the victims.

What is that supposed to mean? Be sure to link to your sources showing that sex offender registries "protect victims".

The evidence has already been provided that sex offender registries are ineffective at reducing recidivism, are even associated with increased recidivism, and consume resources to could be used to fund measures that have been shown to be highly effective at reducing recidivism, i.e., ordinary cognitive-behavioral therapy.

 

[Nous]

Because I know it does work.

You obviously have no difficulty making claims. What you have failed at is showing that your claims have any basis in reality.

 

[Perditus]

You obviously have no difficulty making claims. What you have failed at is showing that your claims have any basis in reality.

Candidly, I don't care what you think about what I know.

 

[Nous]

Candidly, I don't care what you think about what I know.

So you're not able to cite any evidence by which to conclude that sex offender registries are anything but ineffective, increase recidivism and consume resources that could be spent on highly effective therapy programs.

 

[Brian Schuh]

One does not need to conduct an internet search in order to know that sex offender registries do not prevent crimes perpetrated by people who are not on them, nor that sex offender registries do not provide proof of anyone's guilt of a crime or that a victim has one type of mental disorder rather than another. Get real.

Okay, let us say that you did what I did. I told a psychiatrist that my mother and her husband hired the same hit man to kill each other. Jay Leno actually heard about this and said, "I guess that is what happens when you live in a small town, you both hire the same hit man." Right, mine was a high profile case for Jay Leno to mention it. And let us say that a small Holly wood company bought the rights to our life stories. Now obviously, a psychiatrist is going to call me grandiose, and delusional and therefore schizophrenic. An English tabloid published, "Wife hires hit man to kill hubby." My mother was on Insided Edition, and also Maury Povich. Sound crazy? Well, it happened. I promised my mother that I would not show anyone the scrapbook with all the newspaper articles, for she had her record expunged and she was in fear of losing her job and reputation in our county. Under the advice of my rabbi, I finally showed my scapbook of this scandal to my psychiatrist and my mother now has to work in another county. He said, "You can't honor your mother if you don't first honor yourself." Now my psychiatrist realizes that it was a high profile case. I did have a holly wood contract, my mother did go on talk shows. I am not delusional. I am not grandiose. Therefore, I don't fit the classic profile of a schizophrenic. And my first diagnosis of PTSD was correct.

 

[Brian Schuh]

One does not need to conduct an internet search in order to know that sex offender registries do not prevent crimes perpetrated by people who are not on them, nor that sex offender registries do not provide proof of anyone's guilt of a crime or that a victim has one type of mental disorder rather than another. Get real.

If I had not been brutally molested and then raped, there is no basis to say I have PTSD. You get real.

 

[Nous]

Okay, let us say that you did what I did. I told a psychiatrist that my mother and her husband hired the same hit man to kill each other. Jay Leno actually heard about this and said, "I guess that is what happens when you live in a small town, you both hire the same hit man." Right, mine was a high profile case for Jay Leno to mention it. And let us say that a small Holly wood company bought the rights to our life stories. Now obviously, a psychiatrist is going to call me grandiose, and delusional and therefore schizophrenic. An English tabloid published, "Wife hires hit man to kill hubby." My mother was on Insided Edition, and also Maury Povich. Sound crazy? Well, it happened. I promised my mother that I would not show anyone the scrapbook with all the newspaper articles, for she had her record expunged and she was in fear of losing her job and reputation in our county. Under the advice of my rabbi, I finally showed my scapbook of this scandal to my psychiatrist and my mother now has to work in another county. He said, "You can't honor your mother if you don't first honor yourself." Now my psychiatrist realizes that it was a high profile case. I did have a holly wood contract, my mother did go on talk shows. I am not delusional. I am not grandiose. Therefore, I don't fit the classic profile of a schizophrenic. And my first diagnosis of PTSD was correct.

If I had not been brutally molested and then raped, there is no basis to say I have PTSD. You get real.

I don't have a clue as to why you quoted my post that you quoted, since you didn't respond to it. I assume you have no rational reason to disagree with my statements that "sex offender registries do not prevent crimes perpetrated by people who are not on them," that "sex offender registries do not provide proof of anyone's guilt of a crime or that a victim has one type of mental disorder rather than another," and that one does not need to conduct an internet search to understand such.

 

[Brian Schuh]

I don't have a clue as to why you quoted my post that you quoted, since you didn't respond to it. I assume you have no rational reason to disagree with my statements that "sex offender registries do not prevent crimes perpetrated by people who are not on them," that "sex offender registries do not provide proof of anyone's guilt of a crime or that a victim has one type of mental disorder rather than another," and that one does not need to conduct an internet search to understand such.

No, registries do not prevent crime and were not intended to prove guilt, but rather advertise guilt that has already been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. And third, if my psychiatric condition was not caused by a sex offender, then it could not possibly be PTSD. That is obvious. If there was no trauma, then there is no Post Traumatic Stess Disorder. That is obvious. What elementary school did you graduate from?

 

[McBell]

... advertise guilt that has already been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.....

This is just plain flat out not true.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Underneath it all, they seem to be more about shaming than anything else. Crimes involving sexual behavior have a tendency to evoke very strong emotions from the public, especially if they involve children. People quickly become bloodthirsty and sadistic. Instead of wishing to actually rehabilitate the convicted, Americans tend to support punishment and causing suffering to satiate sadism under the guise of "protecting" society. It's no wonder our criminal "justice" system is so incredibly broken, our prisons are like something from a second or third world country and are crowded. That's how it seems to me, anyway.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

My girlfriend said she only dates sex offenders. She asked me why I don't have to register.
I said, "You got me all wrong. I don't register, because I am not a sex offender."
So there is a good reason why there are sex offender registries. Because if there weren't, my girlfriend would not know who to date.
And no, the man who molested me and later raped me had no prior convictions. If there were no sex offender registries, I would have never been able to prove that I am not a schizophrenic and that I really have PTSD from something that really happened. I was discredited my whole life and never been accepted into the work force because I was believed to be schizophrenic and homosexual for believing a "delusion" that I was molested. When the man finally got registered, my life changed for the better. Everyone now knows that I am not really delusional for what I claimed and it is really easy to find a consenting woman no matter how many people believe that a man is gay. Hell, crack whores will have sex for a $10 bill. Right, the worst sex offense I ever committed is hiring prostitutes. Sex offender registries are necessary, at least in my case.

Your story is a mess on so many levels. Where the hell do you live where your life is ruined because some people think you're gay or schizophrenic? There's laws against discriminating against the mentally ill and on the grounds of sexual orientation in hiring. It seems you have untreated issues in your life. Your gf sounds like a mess, too. :/

 

[Nous]

No, registries do not prevent crime and were not intended to prove guilt, but rather advertise guilt that has already been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

As noted in the OP, the evidence is that sex offender registries merely make it more difficult for sex offenders who have served their prison sentences to reintegrate into society as productive citizens, are ineffective at reducing recidivism, are even associated with increased recidivism, and consume resources to could be used to fund measures that have been shown to be highly effective at reducing recidivism, i.e., ordinary cognitive-behavioral therapy.

 

[Nous]

Underneath it all, they seem to be more about shaming than anything else. Crimes involving sexual behavior have a tendency to evoke very strong emotions from the public, especially if they involve children. People quickly become bloodthirsty and sadistic. Instead of wishing to actually rehabilitate the convicted, Americans tend to support punishment and causing suffering to satiate sadism under the guise of "protecting" society. It's no wonder our criminal "justice" system is so incredibly broken, our prisons are like something from a second or third world country and are crowded. That's how it seems to me, anyway.

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[Brian Schuh]

As noted in the OP, the evidence is that sex offender registries merely make it more difficult for sex offenders who have served their prison sentences to reintegrate into society as productive citizens, are ineffective at reducing recidivism, are even associated with increased recidivism, and consume resources to could be used to fund measures that have been shown to be highly effective at reducing recidivism, i.e., ordinary cognitive-behavioral therapy.

As a victim of a sex offender, the fact my offender was registered meant the world to me. And the line of his work was as a high school educator, a job he should never have again. Nevertheless, he has reintegrated as a librarian. So in light of my case, mine is the exception that breaks (proves) the rule.

 

[Unification]

What is that supposed to mean? Be sure to link to your sources showing that sex offender registries "protect victims".

The evidence has already been provided that sex offender registries are ineffective at reducing recidivism, are even associated with increased recidivism, and consume resources to could be used to fund measures that have been shown to be highly effective at reducing recidivism, i.e., ordinary cognitive-behavioral therapy.

The registry is not made in hopes of recidivism "for said individual on registry" as what you said is true... it does not stop nor prevent recidivism. It is made to make people "aware" of their surroundings. Do you understand the difference? You are not all knowing as to what awareness has done to possibly prevent anything.

I'll take the best of both worlds approach and agree that some substantial modifications need made as to who and why an individual is on it and those being on it are 2nd time offenders as well as the more serious forcible crimes proved beyond doubt and/or with confession and evidence. Using your statistical data, that would mean that perhaps 25% should be registered. Minor examples of those needing not registered would be lack of evidence, age gap with consent, etc.

I see the unnecessary harm the registry can cause for certain folks on it, but can see the good of awareness from it involving the more serious matters.

 

[VioletVortex]

One purpose is to give people a means to know if their neighbor is a child molester or a rapist.

The second purpose is to try to instill guilt into people.

The third purpose is to **** up their employment opportunities.

Purpose one is the only one I agree with. The other two are stupid.