What is the US interest in Ukraine?

[Left Coast]

It's a fact of life, red lines are drawn and this is what happens when they are crossed. Ukraine joining Nato means that missiles can and will be brought right up to the Russian border aimed at Moscow. No Russian leader would tolerate that and neither would an American leader tolerate missiles in Cuba or Mexico aimed at the US. It's the way things work on this planet.

Rape and murder happen as well. Is that just a "fact of life" that we should ethically dismiss? That is horrifying.

Missiles would not need to be brought "right up to the border" unless Russia was continuing to threaten Ukraine. Stop invading and threatening and respect Ukraine's borders and sovereignty, and hey, look at that, no missiles are needed.

 

[lukethethird]

Rape and murder happen as well. Is that just a "fact of life" that we should ethically dismiss? That is horrifying.

Missiles would not need to be brought "right up to the border" unless Russia was continuing to threaten Ukraine. Stop invading and threatening and respect Ukraine's borders and sovereignty, and hey, look at that, no missiles are needed.

Joining Nato means missiles will be brought in, that is what Nato is for, Nato serves no other purpose. If Russia brought missiles to Cuba or Mexico how do you think the US would respond?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Joining Nato means missiles will be brought in, that is what Nato is for, Nato serves no other purpose. If Russia brought missiles to Cuba or Mexico how do you think the US would respond?

Just a nitpick. NATO was formed before these kinds of missiles existed, so you are claimed NATO was formed based on the assumption that these missiles would be possible and used. Do you got any evidence for that?

 

[Left Coast]

Joining Nato means missiles will be brought in, that is what Nato is for, Nato serves no other purpose.

No, that isn't what it means. Please educate yourself. You're aware multiple current NATO member states border Russia, yes?

 

[Kathryn]

Okay. And so...?

That's not the point of the thread (a war in Ethiopia) but my point is comparing our response to that war vs our response to a war in Ukraine. Guess the folks in Ethiopia are too brown and too poor for us to stress much about what's going on there (speaking of rape and murder - by machete and knives in fact - Lord have mercy).

 

[Left Coast]

That's not the point of the thread (a war in Ethiopia) but my point is comparing our response to that war vs our response to a war in Ukraine. Guess the folks in Ethiopia are too brown and too poor for us to stress much about what's going on there.

It's got nothing to do with their skin color or their poverty level.

Aside from which, arguing we should do more in Ethiopia is not an argument to do less in Ukraine. They're two different places with different circumstances.

 

[Kathryn]

It's got nothing to do with their skin color or their poverty level.

Aside from which, arguing we should do more in Ethiopia is not an argument to do less in Ukraine. They're two different places with different circumstances.

You really don't know why US politicians are yelling "rape and murder" toward Ukraine but not toward Ethiopia, do you?

 

[Left Coast]

You really don't know why US politicians are yelling "rape and murder" toward Ukraine but not toward Ethiopia, do you?

I'd love to know how you ruled out all other explanations besides the skin color of the residents and their median household income. Do you think maybe, just maybe, it has to do with the involvement of the country that poses the largest threat to us on the planet?

And again, arguing we should be more involved in situation A is not an argument for us to change our involvement in situation B.

 

[Kathryn]

I'd love to know how you ruled out all other explanations besides their skin color of the residents and their median household income.

And again, arguing we should be more involved in situation A is not an argument for us to change our involvement in situation B.

I'm not the one defending our politicians.

 

[Left Coast]

I'm not the one defending our politicians.

I didn't ask you to defend our politicians. I asked you to defend your own statement.

 

[Kathryn]

I didn't ask you to defend our politicians. I asked you to defend your own statement.

You know what I was saying and why I was saying it. No need to further defend it in my opinion.

 

[Left Coast]

You know what I was saying and why I was saying it. No need to further defend it in my opinion.

You were saying it to make a silly accusation about US motives for involvement in Ukraine that made no sense.

I agree, there's no need to further defend such things.

 

[Kathryn]

There's no further need to defend my own words, I've been quite clear, I believe.

 

[InChrist]

Liberty of Ukrainian people?

[Runs away fast]

Liberty of the Ukrainian people or “democracy” is the excuse repeatedly given, but the reason is purely military industrial profit…
“They profit from war, and they push for war, and they even hope to profit more from bloodshed, from destruction, and somehow do not escalate for the scale of nuclear war,” Yurii Sheliazhenko, the executive secretary of the Ukrainian Pacifist Movement, told Democracy Nowin late March.

Weapons Makers Profit Handsomely off Ukraine War, Three Months After Russian Invasion | corpwatch

Three months after Russia invaded Ukraine, the winner and losers are apparent. The losers are civilians in Ukraine and soldiers on both sides of the conflict, while the winners are weapons manufacturers like BAE Systems, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon Technologies and Rheinmetall.

www.corpwatch.org

As well as profits for technology corporations and governmental digital surveillance and control of citizens…

Zelensky The Technocrat: War in Ukraine Obscures Rush To Technocracy

Before the war, Zelensky's first initiative after his election, was to create a Ministry of Digital Transformation headed by Technocrat and WEF Young Leaders graduate, Mykhailo Fedorov. With a digital ID at the core, "government in a smartphone" solidifies Technocrat control. Worse, the U.S...

www.technocracy.news

 

[Father Heathen]

 

[lukethethird]

No, that isn't what it means. Please educate yourself. You're aware multiple current NATO member states border Russia, yes?

Maybe you should educate me.

 

[Left Coast]

Maybe you should educate me.

I suspect that would take more time than I have.

You can start here:

An Unsettled Alliance

As NATO readies for what some believe is a new Cold War with Russia, the seventy-year-old alliance struggles to manage widening internal divisions.

www.cfr.org

 

[lukethethird]

I suspect that would take more time than I have.

You can start here:

An Unsettled Alliance

As NATO readies for what some believe is a new Cold War with Russia, the seventy-year-old alliance struggles to manage widening internal divisions.

www.cfr.org

CFR is a New York based think take influencing US foreign policy consisting of CIA directors, US heads of state, bankers, lawyers, CEOs, wonderful peace of war propaganda. It's no wonder you follow the mainstream media narrative.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I'd love to know how you ruled out all other explanations besides the skin color of the residents and their median household income. Do you think maybe, just maybe, it has to do with the involvement of the country that poses the largest threat to us on the planet?

And again, arguing we should be more involved in situation A is not an argument for us to change our involvement in situation B.

Yeah, I don't think the US chooses whom to aid based on skin color or out of the goodness of its heart either. I believe it's primarily about geopolitics. The main concern of the US is not skin color, not human rights, and not democracy. It's geopolitics and reduction of risk from threats to its interests, such as China and Russia.

It makes sense for the US to aid Ukraine, and in this case, American geopolitical interests happen to align with a sound humanitarian and ethical cause (i.e., fending off a hostile, imperialist invasion). The US isn't as committed to helping Ethiopia or, say, Yemen as it is to helping Ukraine or Taiwan simply because aiding the latter two serves American interests much more deeply. That's understandable: it's unfeasible to help every country in the world where problems are happening. Every country needs to prioritize some issues and concerns.

 

[Father Heathen]

@Kathryn What's your opinion on U.S. aid to Israel, the largest accumulative recipient of it?