What Is This Political Position?

[Rival]

Following a conversation between @Mindmaster and myself, I would like to know what this political position is called (I already know what I call it):

1. Support of free healthcare, free education, free university tuition, foodbanks, welfare etc.

2. Against abortion, gay marriage, feminism, etc.

What is this position called? What would be its party?

Also, when you give your answers I'd really appreciate knowing your country of origin, only because Europe and the U.S. especially seem to have very different political definitions.

Thanks for your time

 

[Mindmaster]

Following a conversation between @Mindmaster and myself, I would like to know what this political position is called (I already know what I call it):

1. Support of free healthcare, free education, free university tuition, foodbanks, welfare etc.

2. Against abortion, gay marriage, feminism, etc.

What is this position called? What would be its party?

Also, when you give your answers I'd really appreciate knowing your country of origin, only because Europe and the U.S. especially seem to have very different political definitions.

Thanks for your time

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I dunno, you kinda skate libertarian if I'd throw you into a US definition. (That's pretty centrist, but pick a mix from either side.) You seem to lean-right by USA definitions a little more since you're really only for the healthcare/education/etc and jettison the rest of the lefty stew.

So, let's dig:

Do you prefer the government to regulate the economy, morality, or do you value personal freedom/economic freedom the most?

Do you believe your government should follow the lead of the UN in military/diplomatic matters, practice Nation Building (coup/subversion, etc to get other countries to be your friends by installing despots/acting on your own), or do you believe in non-interventionism?

Do you believe that the government should give money to charities it runs, give to faith-based, or stay out of it and you give as you see fit?

If you are going to the first cases you are going left, second right, third Libertarian (center). Anyway, I could think of more if you like.

 

[Rival]

(Reposted)

I dunno, you kinda skate libertarian if I'd throw you into a US definition. (That's pretty centrist, but pick a mix from either side.) You seem to lean-right by USA definitions a little more since you're really only for the healthcare/education/etc and jettison the rest of the lefty stew.

So, let's dig:

Do you prefer the government to regulate the economy, morality, or do you value personal freedom/economic freedom the most?

Do you believe your government should follow the lead of the UN in military/diplomatic matters, practice Nation Building (coup/subversion, etc to get other countries to be your friends by installing despots/acting on your own), or do you believe in non-interventionism?

Do you believe that the government should give money to charities it runs, give to faith-based, or stay out of it and you give as you see fit?

If you are going to the first cases you are going left, second right, third Libertarian (center). Anyway, I could think of more if you like.

I would appreciate some basic answers first and then go more in depth later However, if you insist:

1. I appreciate government intervention, but within degrees. For instance, I would keep homosexuality legal, but not teach about it in schools, not have gay marriage etc. I don't know what is the specific term for this, if there be one. I definitely support government keeping a grip the economy.

2. Hell with the U.N.

3. Of course, if a government runs a charity it ought to 'donate' but I think it should not give to faith-based, as this is the Church's business.

 

[BSM1]

Communism.

 

[Rival]

Communism.

Lmfao I actually go with 'Alt-right' or 'Modern Fascism' (because other beliefs I have) myself, so close! On the Political Compass I am assigned 'Stalinism'.

 

[Shiranui117]

Following a conversation between @Mindmaster and myself, I would like to know what this political position is called (I already know what I call it):

1. Support of free healthcare, free education, free university tuition, foodbanks, welfare etc.

2. Against abortion, gay marriage, feminism, etc.

What is this position called? What would be its party?

Also, when you give your answers I'd really appreciate knowing your country of origin, only because Europe and the U.S. especially seem to have very different political definitions.

Thanks for your time

Maybe Fascism? I'm from the US.

 

[icehorse]

From the OP, it could be Islam

 

[Rival]

From the OP, it could be Islam

Nah, I'm not into the whole chopping off limbs, child marriages and jihad thing.

 

[StarryNightshade]

Perhaps this @Rival?

http://www.solidarity-party.org/

 

[columbus]

Nah, I'm not into the whole chopping off limbs, child marriages and jihad thing.

But what was described in the OP matches what ISIS promises from the Caliphate.
Tom

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

1. Support of free healthcare, free education, free university tuition, foodbanks, welfare etc.

2. Against abortion, gay marriage, feminism, etc.

I'm from USA. Not sure I or anyone can help without a bit of further clarification on your part.

Your listing under 1 appears to be societal investments in various programs designed to provide for the members of society. This sort of thing has long been viewed as "socialism" here in the US, but is increasingly seen as effective investment in social stability and future growth by some more conservative types.

Under 2 (without details), you seem to be wanting to limit individual behaviors, although the reasons for doing so are not at all clear.

Are you against abortion period, or are there exceptions (rape, incest, health of mother, etc.)? Are you personally against it, but recognize a woman's right to choose, in consultation with her physician, and perhaps, family?

Is it just gay marriage you're against, or are civil unions allowable? What about people whose religions embrace gays and say that marriage should be allowable for gays? On what basis should government be allowed or not allowed to have any say in personal relationships? Or is it that you are really against ANYONE being gay or having any of the rights claimed by the straight, even in their private affairs (pun may or may not have been intentional).

Feminism covers a whole lot of territory: are you saying that women should stay in the home and let men run everything? That equally-qualified women should be paid less and be given less responsibility than men? That before the law, the word of a man is more valuable than that of a woman? That women should not be allowed to own property? Or are you focusing on some other kind/aspect of feminism, and specifically what or why?

For all of these examples under 2, are you looking at government or societal level programs, such as you were in #1, or are you thinking about government/society should be interfering with people's individual rights to believe and act upon their beliefs, in the interest of some higher societal need (similar to that involved in supporting the investments in #1)?

 

[Rival]

But what was described in the OP matches what ISIS promises from the Caliphate.
Tom

Er, not quite. I don't want to execute gays, Jews, etc. I believe all citizens are equal before the law.

 

[Rival]

I'm from USA. Not sure I or anyone can help without a bit of further clarification on your part.

Your listing under 1 appears to be societal investments in various programs designed to provide for the members of society. This sort of thing has long been viewed as "socialism" here in the US, but is increasingly seen as effective investment in social stability and future growth by some more conservative types.

Under 2 (without details), you seem to be wanting to limit individual behaviors, although the reasons for doing so are not at all clear.

Are you against abortion period, or are there exceptions (rape, incest, health of mother, etc.)? Are you personally against it, but recognize a woman's right to choose, in consultation with her physician, and perhaps, family?

Is it just gay marriage you're against, or are civil unions allowable? What about people whose religions embrace gays and say that marriage should be allowable for gays? On what basis should government be allowed or not allowed to have any say in personal relationships? Or is it that you are really against ANYONE being gay or having any of the rights claimed by the straight, even in their private affairs (pun may or may not have been intentional).

Feminism covers a whole lot of territory: are you saying that women should stay in the home and let men run everything? That equally-qualified women should be paid less and be given less responsibility than men? That before the law, the word of a man is more valuable than that of a woman? That women should not be allowed to own property? Or are you focusing on some other kind/aspect of feminism, and specifically what or why?

For all of these examples under 2, are you looking at government or societal level programs, such as you were in #1, or are you thinking about government/society should be interfering with people's individual rights to believe and act upon their beliefs, in the interest of some higher societal need (similar to that involved in supporting the investments in #1)?

1. I'm against abortion as a form of contraception. An abortion just because she wants one is, in Rivelian society, illegal. Abortion in case of defects, such as Downs', is actively encouraged. In-case of rape, it is reluctantly allowed. The woman has no right to choose based on her merely not wanting a child. Condoms are promoted within marriages that have already produced children so abortions are not needed.

2. Civil unions are not allowed in Rivelian society. I'm not against anyone being gay, but I don't want it promoted as 'normal' by schools and universities. We accept some people are gay, but there's no need for parades and telling schoolkids all about it. I also identify as a bisexual, I like men and girls, but I do not think my attraction to females is normal and I don't want to promote it as such.

3. I mean modern, '3rd wave' feminism. Rivelian society actively encourages women to have kids between ages 18-30 and be housewives. This is not to say they can't have careers, but certainly they shouldn't whilst they have kids. After children, whatever. Both are equal before the law.

 

[Laika]

Following a conversation between @Mindmaster and myself, I would like to know what this political position is called (I already know what I call it):

1. Support of free healthcare, free education, free university tuition, foodbanks, welfare etc.

2. Against abortion, gay marriage, feminism, etc.

What is this position called? What would be its party?

Also, when you give your answers I'd really appreciate knowing your country of origin, only because Europe and the U.S. especially seem to have very different political definitions.

Thanks for your time

I would appreciate some basic answers first and then go more in depth later However, if you insist:

1. I appreciate government intervention, but within degrees. For instance, I would keep homosexuality legal, but not teach about it in schools, not have gay marriage etc. I don't know what is the specific term for this, if there be one. I definitely support government keeping a grip the economy.

2. Hell with the U.N.

3. Of course, if a government runs a charity it ought to 'donate' but I think it should not give to faith-based, as this is the Church's business.

I'd call it a form of conservative Socialism. A mixture of social conservative values with public ownership. Before the sexual revolution this would probably fit in either the Labour or Conservative parties.

Er, not quite. I don't want to execute gays, Jews, etc. I believe all citizens are equal before the law.

That safely places you outside of Fascism or Communism as a political system even if there maybe some overlap in other areas.

 

[Rival]

That safely places you outside of Fascism or Communism as a political system even if there maybe some overlap in other areas.

My definition of citizen...shhhh

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

1. I'm against abortion as a form of contraception. An abortion just because she wants one is , in Rivelian society, illegal. Abortion in case of defects, such as Downs' is actively encouraged. In-case of rape, it is reluctantly allowed. The woman has no right to choose based on her merely not wanting a child.

2. Civil unions are now allowed in Rivelian society. I'm not against anyone being gay, but I don't want it promoted as 'normal' by schools and universities. We accept some people are gay, but there's no need for parades and telling schoolkids all about it. I also identify as a bisexual, I like men and girls, but I do not think my attraction to females is normal and I don't want to promote it as such.

3. I mean modern, '3rd wave' feminism. Rivelian society actively encourages women to have kids between ages 18-30 and be housewives. This is not to say they can't have careers, but certainly they shouldn't whilst they have kids. After children, whatever. Both are equal before the law.

so, is government responsible for enforcing these things, for providing the proper incentives to encourage your policies, versus some other policies that might be preferred by more members of society? Who decides whether an abortion is necessary or allowed in your society? If all are equal before the law, are men encouraged to give up their careers between the ages of 18 and 30 to help raise their children? public schools should not teach anything about lifestyles or the economic and/or social history or stigma of various groups, nor try to ensure that everyone is raised to know that all are equal before the law?

Oh, never mind...I'm getting off point here.

You haven't described how your society will pay for or run the schools, etc....

But, so far, your policies sound like a mix typical of centrists (generally called "independents" here in the US), because each position seems to be rooted in the specific approaches you bring to each issue, and there doesn't seem to be a consistent center to your positions, except that you seem pro government.

 

[bobhikes]

Following a conversation between @Mindmaster and myself, I would like to know what this political position is called (I already know what I call it):

1. Support of free healthcare, free education, free university tuition, foodbanks, welfare etc.

2. Against abortion, gay marriage, feminism, etc.

What is this position called? What would be its party?

Also, when you give your answers I'd really appreciate knowing your country of origin, only because Europe and the U.S. especially seem to have very different political definitions.

Thanks for your time

Clarifying will help

For example I am against abortion, but believe the government should have no say in the matter.
I am Ok with gay marriage but believe the government should not force religions to comply.
I am against feminism as it is today but agree there was and is a need of sorts.

 

[icehorse]

Aha Rival!

I totally misunderstood the OP. I thought we were trying to identify an existing orientation, now I see we're trying to name your new idea!?

Also, can you say more about the type of "feminism" you're against?

 

[Rival]

so, is government responsible for enforcing these things, for providing the proper incentives to encourage your policies, versus some other policies that might be preferred by more members of society? Who decides whether an abortion is necessary or allowed in your society? If all are equal before the law, are men encouraged to give up their careers between the ages of 18 and 30 to help raise their children? public schools should not teach anything about lifestyles or the economic and/or social history or stigma of various groups, nor try to ensure that everyone is raised to know that all are equal before the law?

Oh, never mind...I'm getting off point here.

You haven't described how your society will pay for or run the schools, etc....

But, so far, your policies sound like a mix typical of centrists (generally called "independents" here in the US), because each position seems to be rooted in the specific approaches you bring to each issue, and there doesn't seem to be a consistent center to your positions, except that you seem pro government.

Government will provide, um, 'incentives'.

Uh, taxes? Like any other socialist system?

Come to Europe, you'll soon figure it out lol.

Also this country is not a democracy. It's some kind of authoritarian way. Right now I'm thinking some kind of 21st Century Monarch, or something like the system in Plato's Republic.

 

[Rival]

Aha Rival!

I totally misunderstood the OP. I thought we were trying to identify an existing orientation, now I see we're trying to name your new idea!?

Nothing new about it haha.