What is "woke" in 2024

[Stevicus]

Sounds like stuff that's been going on for awhile, even before DEI. Such as Colin Powel being the butt of jokes for being "white," or the racist who can't stand hearing Ebonics but put's a black man on a pedestal if he talks like a white man.

It seems like something that DEI should actually discourage, but from what the writer of the article is saying, it's not.

 

[Kathryn]

Hmmm ..., what is 'too much diversity'? What is 'too much equity'? What is 'too much inclusion'?

It's about how the military enforces it.

 

[PureX]

The military is a very 'blunt instrument'. Intentionally. It could even shoot it's own people for not following orders. What part of this did your son not understand going in? What part of it aren't you getting? When it decides to be more ethnically or racially inclusive, it will do so. And everyone involved will follow that order. Or they will suffer severe consequences.

It's the military. That's the deal you sign up for.

 

[Argentbear]

It's about how the military enforces it.

and how does the military enforce it?

 

[Argentbear]

So you're just going to ignore the fact that you are demonstrably wrong?

Yep.

 

[Argentbear]

No. The real meaning was aware and conscious.

Completely off track on what people put it as being today.

aware and conscious of what?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Edited by JJMC89 bot III at the time of this posting. A great Metalhead connoisseur!

Stay Woke

The new sense of 'woke' is gaining popularity

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[Stevicus]

aware and conscious of what?

That's actually an excellent question. I think some people get too caught up over the word "woke" itself that they're losing sight of the underlying meaning and context.

 

[LuisDantas]

Sigh. I'll assume you're just popping in and haven't skimmed the conversations in this thread.

So to reiterate, let's take just two authors of many: Ibram X Kendi and Robin DiAngelo. They are both best selling authors and they both do speaking tours. At least hundreds of thousands (if not millions), of people have bought their books and gone to see them speak. One of Kendi's books has around 28,000 reviews on Amazon with a 4.5 star rating.

Again, there are many other influential people supporting the ideas in the OP, but if we just focus on these two, how do you square their success with the idea that no one believes in the ideas listed in the OP ?

Sorry, @icehorse . You posted the OP and it is a non-starter.

Accept that.

 

[icehorse]

Sorry, @icehorse . You posted the OP and it is a non-starter.

Accept that.

Hey Luis,

From a logical perspective, all I can tell from your posts is that you disagree. You've given no evidence nor have you provided any logic. It seems to me that this forum should be about debating ideas and using logic and evidence and such. Your pronouncements don't carry any water at all with me

 

[Revoltingest]

The etymology of "woke".....

How being “woke” lost its meaning

Stay woke: How a Black activist watchword got co-opted in the culture war.

www.vox.com

 

[PureX]

That's actually an excellent question. I think some people get too caught up over the word "woke" itself that they're losing sight of the underlying meaning and context.

Yes, it's definitely become a 'dog whistle' term meant to call up all sorts of ideas and feelings about reverse racism, and affirmative action, and anything else that threatens the privileges that certain people have come to expect as their unquestioned right.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

You're making this far more complicated than it is.

Regardless of whether a population is growing, shrinking, or stabilized, everyone will be doing what needs done to ensure their continued survival. Or they won't survive. The more people, the more commerce is needed to sustain them. Therefor, more production, more jobs, and more money moving around. Less, people, less commerce is required to sustain them, and so less production, fewer jobs, and less money moving around. But it's ok because everyone is still surviving.

An influx of new people is only problematic if the physical environment cannot sustain them. But if that were the case, they would not come. However, there can be a time lag between the new people showing up and the community expanding it's sustaining commercial enterprise to accommodate them. And this is why the Feds gave Spribgfield Ohio federal aid to help the incoming Haitians and the existing community to survive until the sustaining commercial systems could expand to sustain this new increase in population.

And this was all properly considered and agreeable to all.

Unfortunately, this is the U.S.A., where capitalism is allowed to run amok because it has long ago corrupted everything and everyone it's touched. So a very rich predatory private equity group had begun buying up all the housing in and around Springfield, Ohio to create both an affordable housing shortage and a monopoly on housing that they could use to price gouge the community for every dollar they could get out of them, and all that money left the community, never to return. Leaving the local commercial economy starved, and the people broke, even with the federal aid to the Haitians.

The economic equilibrium of the community was destroyed because predatory capitalists were allowed to pillage it at will. And it's not just Springfield, Ohio. It's all the other towns in Ohio, and in Michigan, and in every other state across the country. Hundreds of billions of dollars are being pillaged from communities all across the country, never to return. Leaving those local economies broke and economically unsustainable.

As a result we are now seeing homeless camps springing up all across the country. And thousands of smaller towns being completely wiped out. Falling to ruin by drugs, crime, poverty, and hopelessness. Predatory capitalism is decimating our country and killing our people, and we remain oblivious to it. And do nothing to stop it. Because we all have been taught to believe that greed is good. That it motivates progress.

The problem was never the influx of new people. That just takes a little time and support for our communities and local economies to expand to accommodate them. The problem is that big piles of money are being assembled and used to pillage the whole country by predatory capital investor groups. And some of you reading this have unwittingly given them your life savings to use to destroy your own communities. While you continue to vote for politicians that turn a blind eye to their criminal behavior.

Alright, well if that's your take that's fine, it's just that I'm skeptical about certain things with this. I think the capitalist probably gets to make money with the immigrant, before the immigrant can own anything. Maybe I'm wrong. But I don't want to post in this thread anymore , I feel like I'm steering it off topic since I want to talk about the economy or something

 

[PureX]

Alright, well if that's your take that's fine, it's just that I'm skeptical about certain things with this. I think the capitalist probably gets to make money with the immigrant, before the immigrant can own anything.

Not just the immigrant, everyone. The capitalists don't care who's money they are taking, or were it came from, or what will happen to those they trap and exploit. They are predators.

Maybe I'm wrong. But I don't want to post in this thread anymore , I feel like I'm steering it off topic since I want to talk about the economy or something

Start another thread, if you like.

I think predatory capitalism has everything to do with the whole "woke" issue.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

OH yes there is.

No, there isn't. It's even my observation that it's good for people to live among diverse populations so you don't get an ocean of bigots like the massively white and protestant MidWest.
And what does "how the military enforces it" even mean?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It could even shoot it's own people for not following orders.

That would be illegal.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Again, for perhaps the sixth time this thread, are you aware of the messages detailed by the best selling authors Ibram X Kendi and Robin DiAngelo?

Those are two people. Even if you've represented them properly (I don't know), you're still 999,998 people short of a single million and way, way short of "millions."

 

[Revoltingest]

...capitalists don't care....they trap and exploit. They are predators. ...predatory capitalism....

A broken record.

 

[PureX]

A broken record.

A dire threat to the well being of the nation. Destroying livelihoods and lives. But since you aren't being directly effected, and may even be benefiting from it, what do you care. Right?

 

[Revoltingest]

A dire threat to the well being of the nation. Destroying livelihoods and lives. But since you aren't being directly effected, and may even be benefiting from it, what do you care. Right?

You don't appear to be all that involved
in the lives & livelihoods of others.
But I am.
Your posts carp endlessly & ignorantly
about the evils capitalism, but have
neither understanding nor alternative.