What is wrong with calling Islam religion of peace?

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Are you chatting about western society ways?

About human ways, actually. Not just the West.

 

[sovietchild]

About human ways, actually. Not just the West.

From Romans to Americans. Violence breeds violence.

 

[Jumi]

In Russia we say "If you want peace, prepare for war."

Is it wrong to call Russia the country of peace?

 

[sovietchild]

Is it wrong to call Russia the country of peace?

Does Russia breed violence? Maybe, inside of the country people do because of alcohol drinking.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Was my statement wrong?

Yes. You're doing what monotheists tend to do when confronted with foreign gods - you label them as the god of this or that and stick them in a box. It's so narrow-minded & lazy. The gods of most polytheistic traditions are far more complex than monotheism-saturated cultures realise. In a book I have one of the gods I worship, Dionysos, has a list of 103 epithets covering a wide range of things.

But monotheists (and those who grew up monotheists but are now not such) tend to pigeon hole him as merely the god of wine, hedonism, parties and/or drunken behaviour. And while he is associated with these things he's so much more than that! And again for Aphrodite. She has 37 epithets at least - but to most people she's the goddess of sex and not much else.

Yet again I see Islam not returning the respect to other faiths that it demands so vociferously for itself!

 

[Madhuri]

I thought they believed in unlimited of gods, like god of cannabis, god of cocaine, god of mushrooms , etc..

Lol! Who told you that?

 

[sovietchild]

Lol! Who told you that?

Hindu people themselves I believe. They said they believed in unlimited of gods.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

From Romans to Americans. Violence breads violence.

Okay, first off it's "violence breeds violence" unless you're a baker.

Second, that applies to Muslims as much as to non-Muslims. You're not any better than us when it comes to violence.

 

[sovietchild]

Okay, first off it's "violence breeds violence" unless you're a baker.

Second, that applies to Muslims as much as to non-Muslims. You're not any better than us when it comes to violence.

Eastern seems to be peaceful. Don't you think so?

 

[Madhuri]

Are you chatting about western society ways?

No. It's human nature. If someone is violent toward another, there is a tendency to want revenge. We see this in every society. Islam also teaches that it is ok to punish, fight or kill for honour. Most religions though try to help us be kind and forgiving instead of continuing violence.

 

[Madhuri]

Hindu people themselves I believe. They said they believed in unlimited of gods.

In Hinduism there is One God who manifests as infinite. They are all the One, not different.

 

[sovietchild]

No. It's human nature. If someone is violent toward another, there is a tendency to want revenge. We see this in every society. Islam also teaches that it is ok to punish, fight or kill for honour. Most religions though try to help us be kind and forgiving instead of continuing violence.

Who injected war into middle eastern? Who fueled the terrorist? Who breeded the violence?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Eastern seems to be peaceful. Don't you think so?

That's not for a lack of trying on the part of some eastern nations. Places like China & North Korea are still incredibly violent - the difference is the system is rigged so that violence only flows one way and the victims are rendered powerless. The same can be said for Muslim dictatorships like Iran & Saudi Arabia. The same could be true of the United States in the near future.

 

[sovietchild]

That's not for a lack of trying on the part of some eastern nations. Places like China & North Korea are still incredibly violent - the difference is the system is rigged so that violence only flows one way and the victims are rendered powerless. The same can be said for Muslim dictatorships like Iran & Saudi Arabia. The same could be true of the United States in the near future.

Wait, how is China violent compare to NATO?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Who injected war into middle eastern? Who fueled the terrorist? Who breaded the violence?

Recently (as in in the last century?) The West.
Who was it that asked for Western help in the first place because they didn't want to be governed by the godless Soviets? The Muslims.
Who was it that wanted to take up arms against the Soviets? The Muslims.
Who was it that pleaded for British help against the Ottoman rulers? The Muslim Arabians.
Who was it that spent centuries projecting power and influence into Europe via the Ottoman Empire? The Muslims.
Who was it that got involved in a European war that led to their empire's downfall and the resulting carve-up of its territory? The Muslim Ottomans.

The saddest part is if the West hadn't taken over administration of Ottoman territory or established new countries we'd probably still be hearing today about how it was the West's fault for the Ottoman Empire's collapsing into a bunch of failed states.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Wait, how is China violent compare to NATO?

They oppress their people, imprison them for questioning the status quo; rumours about harvesting organs from political prisoners etc, violently repress foreign religions and so on. They also violently repress the Tibetans to try and deny them a sense of national identity. Additionally, China is trying to lay claim to more & more territory in the East & South China Seas. They're prepared to militarily posture & bully smaller nations like Japan, South Korea & Vietnam in order to do it.

 

[Madhuri]

Who injected war into middle eastern? Who fueled the terrorist? Who breeded the violence?

When? If you're talking about recent history, then clearly many are responsible and some western countries have a lot to answer for. I'm not going to argue that the west is blameless.
But that's beside the point. Throughout history, Muslims have spread and killed and conquered lands. I had a Muslim once try to tell me that Islam came into India peacefully. Ha! What a load of rubbish. Invasions, killing and treating the Hindus like dirt is NOT peaceful.

 

[Rival]

Is there a Muslim argument that doesn't rest on 'The West started it'?

Is the West responsible for Muhammad's raids, wars and massacres? For the Wars of Apostasy? Are we also responsible for the Sunni-Shia violence?

Are there any defensive arguments?

 

[J2hapydna]

I was married to a lady from Iran, when I say was I mean I became a widower when she died a few years ago, She and her family were Bahais who the muslims who took over Iran in 1979 considered to be infidels, heretics, whatever.
Among the many stories she told me from the first months after Khomeini's revolution, the overthrow of the Shah (who admittedly was an evil yankee puppet) and the rule of the revolutionary guard, there were two in particular that stuck in my mind.
One was that she had a younger sister who had died of meningitis at age 11 and was buried in the Bahai cemetery in Teheran. One Sunday when my wife and her sisters and mother went to visit the grave, it was gone along with the rest of the cemetery. The following week she made enquires to find out what had happened and one of the revolutionary guards told her they didn't want to waste valuable real estate on the corpses of infidels so they had dug up the cemetery and carted the contents to the city garbage dump.
The other story was about her uncle who was a professor at the University in Teheran. He suddenly went missing a few weeks after the Islamic revolution. The family were unable to get information about his whereabouts until there was a knock on the door of his house one evening. Outside were several; bearded young men with the crazy fanatical look in their eyes we often see in photos from that region. One of them handed the lady of the house a piece paper with bill written on it. It was, according to one of the revolutionary guards, to cover the cost of the bullets used to execute her husband - because it was not worthy of the revolution to have to cover the cost of executing infidels and traitors.
No culture that could spawn that kind of behavior can be considered civilized or good or, as suggested in this thread, peace loving.

This is so sad. The Hassan Ashari and the wahabi have turned their religions into instruments to use for political power as have many others.

In contrast the earliest form of Islam, for example, as practiced in the Axumite Empire was never militarized or turned into a tool of political oppression and control or force conversions and wage jihad. Similarly, there are Sunni Sufi and rationalist Sir Syedans and Ismaili Shia in addition to other forms of Islam that are still quite peaceful.

In my opinion, the fact that Baha'i believe in the Quran and MP as a prophet actually make them ianother branch of Islam, same as Ahmadi and submitters.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Don't you think they were afraid to lose income from visitors if they were to drop their pagan religion?

So the Prophet was only in it for the money?

How is it okay to raid Muslims houses and take what is in there and It's not okay to take back what stolen?

They didn't have courts back then?

When almost every terror attack in the world is carried out by a Muslim in the name of Islam, it sounds a little bit like a bad joke.

As is when terror happens all over but only when Muslims do it is it called terrorism in the (US) media...

How many civilians died under American bombs?

We're not a peaceful nation. We can pretend we are with "alternative facts", but we founded this nation on the blood and ash of a whole lot of lives. If certain Muslims took up weapons, they are also not peaceful. I don't blame all Muslims for this, just as I shouldn't be blamed for something George Washington did in the 18th century. Life goes on. We should treat people as they are, not as we imagine their history to be.

How can a building like #7 go down like that?

It's amazing what happens when you blow a few key supports... The airplane left a BIG GAPING HOLE. I'm sure that affects structural integrity somewhat.

Half of Americans Believe in 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

Many Trump supporters will look at the two photos from Obama's and Trump's administration and say the latter has more people in it WHILE LOOKING AT IT. A lot of people in my country are dumb as sticks.

What is wrong with raiding caravans which belongs to people who raided you?

It's not really a sign of civilized, adult behavior. It's two toddlers grabbing each others' pacifiers. Law has existed since way before any of the Abrahamics wrote anything down. Are you telling me setting up a tribunal with the other tribal elders was not a thing?

If a bully takes your lunch at school and the next day you take it back from him. What's wrong with that?

It makes perfect sense ... if you're 8.

When a bully punches you, you have to stop that bully. Right? You can't just have him take you lunch bag away from you everyday. And, if there is no police around you, what will you do? You prob. would build an army to fight against him. Right?

One bully demands an entire army?

I thought we chatting about early centuries?

Hammurabi - Ancient History - HISTORY.com
Dude predates Islam by a lot. That area of the planet didn't need Muhammad to invent what to do with thefts.