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What is wrong with calling Islam religion of peace?

J2hapydna

Active Member
You are not a nation. Now if you want to claim status as a political leader of the group you have to accept prior actions as a political leader. Which include smear tactics such as those used against the Meccan

Please describe the prior actions that justify an assassination in your mind.

Also please describe the fate of the leader of Mecca and chief architect of these plots who was captured after his city was conquered. What kind of torture and death did he and his grown sons suffer under Islamic law for participating in these assasintons and murders attempts.
Did they cut off their ands and feet and crucify them? Did they rape is wife? What happened to them?
Thanks
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Please describe the prior actions that justify an assassination in your mind.

I never said assassination was justified, strawman question. I am pointing out if one wishes to claim to be a political leader this makes them more than just an average person within the masses.

Also please describe the fate of the leader of Mecca and chief architect of these plots who was captured after his city was conquered. What kind of torture and death did he and his grown sons suffer for participating in these assasintons and murders attempts.

He converted after he and his people lost. After he lost the power he had.
 

sovietchild

Well-Known Member
But then Muhammad took revenge.

The war between Mecca and Muslims only really started when Muhammad raided merchant caravans from 623 to 624, which accumulated with the death of the caravan guards. When Meccans send a force out with the next caravan train, that ended in battle of Badr in 624.

When Muhammad left Mecca in 622 with family and followers, they were not at war yet. War will only start if both sides armed. Muhammad and Muslims were armed when they raided those caravans.

So essentially Muhammad started the war by provoking the Meccans with these raids.

Like or not sovietchild, when send people to raid and rob as act of revenge, then revenge is not "peaceful" act.

And that's the only time he started a war.

Did you know that when Muhammad left Mecca, the first place he sought refuge for himself and his people was at Ta'if in 622. They refused to let them in their town.

Eight years later after Mecca surrendered to Muhammad and his large army in 630, the first place he went to when he went on campaign to invade and convert the rest of Arabia was Ta'if, which he lay siege to.

The attack on the town was revenge for not accepting them as refugees. Tell me who started the war between Muslims and the town of Ta'if?

Muhammad started this battle. And when Ta'if did eventually surrender, they ask for a condition to be keep their pagan religion. Muhammad rejected the condition, so the people of Ta'if were forced to convert.

So the whole notion that Islam don't compel people to convert, is nothing more than a myth.

And the idea that Muslims don't start wars, are also a myth. Attacking caravans and starting a siege in revenge, showed that Islam is not a religion of peace.

Didn't that Jew tribe got kicked out from Medina because they molested a girl and then killed a Muslim who stood up for her?
 

J2hapydna

Active Member
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Jiyza to a modern tax system.

This is what happens when people jump into other people's conversations. If you had been reading my posts (which you obviously weren't) you would have known I don't place much credibility in the Orthodox Sharia and how Jizya was extorted from innocent people by the Arabs. To partly understand why, you would need to know what happened to the pagan ruler of Mecca who unrelentingly and continuously schemed, planned and tried to hunt down and kill MP until he was forced to surrender after his city was conquered by MPs army just a couple of years before MP died? What was the the punishment under Islamic law for him and his grown sons who didn't just refuse to convert but actively tried to murder MP?
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
You can tell Muslims are losing an argument when they resort to saying "Well you guys did it!!!!1111!!!!11!!" :tearsofjoy:
 

Kirran

Premium Member
What was wrong with getting married to 10 year old girls 600 years ago or so?

In USA you were able to marry to 7 years old few hundred years ago.

Wasn't Muhammad meant to be an eternal moral example?

Many of Muslims don't believe he actually did do this. I admire them. Those who believe he did, and still uphold him as a moral exemplar...

Oh I can. Trust me. But not now.

"I also know things that other people don't know, and so they cannot be sure of the situation," Trump responded when asked why he doubts intelligence reports of Russian hacking, according to a pool reporter.

When asked what Trump knows that other people don't know, Trump responded, "You'll find out on Tuesday or Wednesday."
 

sovietchild

Well-Known Member
Wasn't Muhammad meant to be an eternal moral example?

Many of Muslims don't believe he actually did do this. I admire them. Those who believe he did, and still uphold him as a moral exemplar...



"I also know things that other people don't know, and so they cannot be sure of the situation," Trump responded when asked why he doubts intelligence reports of Russian hacking, according to a pool reporter.

When asked what Trump knows that other people don't know, Trump responded, "You'll find out on Tuesday or Wednesday."

First of all I'm working right now. Secondly, you can google it for your self.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Wasn't British people was doing the same thing on those day? Getting married to 10 year old girls.

They might have done - I'm not sure. Problem is they weren't doing it while claiming access to moral authority. You don't get to excuse Muhammad's actions by comparing them to the infidels of his time (or any time, really) because you've already set him up as an example of superior moral conduct. That's called a double-standard. Just like when you want to say Muhammad is a moral exemplar that Muslims today should emulate but also say we can't judge Muhammad's actions through the light of contemporary morals & ethics. We can and will always call you out on this hypocrisy.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
They might have done - I'm not sure. Problem is they weren't doing it while claiming access to moral authority. You don't get to excuse Muhammad's actions by comparing them to the infidels of his time (or any time, really) because you've already set him up as an example of superior moral conduct. That's called a double-standard. Just like when you want to say Muhammad is a moral exemplar that Muslims today should emulate but also say we can't judge Muhammad's actions through the light of contemporary morals & ethics. We can and will always call you out on this hypocrisy.
The age of consent in the UK has been 16 for girls since 1885. How far back does he want to go, lol?
 
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