What is wrong with calling Islam religion of peace?

[Kirran]

@sovietchild - Is Muhammad an eternal moral exemplar? Is it OK to have sex with 10-year-old girls?

 

[Rival]

600 years ago in England the age of consent was 12. This was when a girl reached puberty.

 

[Kirran]

600 years ago in England the age of consent was 12. This was when a girl reached puberty.

Not sure many girls were reaching puberty at 12 600 years ago.

Even my grandmother's generation weren't - she didn't start menstruating until she was 16.

 

[Rival]

Not sure many girls were reaching puberty at 12 600 years ago.

Even my grandmother's generation weren't - she didn't start menstruating until she was 16.

It's a generalisation. Things like body hair, breasts etc. were developing then but the age at which girls start to menstruate varies widely in each generation. For ex, I started at age 12 along with another of my friends, but some of my other friends started at 15 or 16.

 

[Kirran]

It's a generalisation. Things like body hair, breasts etc. were developing and the age at which girls start to menstruate varies widely in each generation. For ex, I started at age 12, along with another of my friends, but some of my other friends started at 15 or 16.

Fair enough, but I think average menstruation kicked off at 15/16 back then - poor nutrition.

Harder to set a hard time when a male hits puberty.

 

[Rival]

Fair enough, but I think average menstruation kicked off at 15/16 back then - poor nutrition.

Harder to set a hard time when a male hits puberty.

This source says it averaged at around 13-14, with some starting at age 12 or even 15 The Age of Menarche in Medieval Europe on JSTOR

So, like I said - really variable.

Also, just as an aside, all my friends who started younger were of a darker phenotype and the more Nordic looking started later. That source also mentions that "[...] except that the average age was one year later in Germany than in the Mediterranean countries." Interesting.

 

[Kirran]

This source says it averaged at around 13-14, with some starting at age 12 or even 15 The Age of Menarche in Medieval Europe on JSTOR

So, like I said - really variable.

Also, just as an aside, all my friends who started younger were of a darker phenotype and the more Nordic looking started later. That source also mentions that "[...] except that the average age was one year later in Germany than in the Mediterranean countries." Interesting.

I stand corrected.

Hmm, that is interesting. I wonder if it hols statistically nowadays. Among my friends as kid, they started all over the place, irrespective of darkness, or Englishness/Welshness.

 

[Rival]

I stand corrected.

Hmm, that is interesting. I wonder if it hols statistically nowadays. Among my friends as kid, they started all over the place, irrespective of darkness, or Englishness/Welshness.

This is intriguing: "Several studies have shown that certain girls, particularly African-American girls, experience puberty earlier than others, but there’s an ongoing debate about what that might mean."

Genetics, Puberty and African American Girls

 

[Shad]

This is what happens when people jump into other people's conversations. If you had been reading my posts (which you obviously weren't) you would have known I don't place much credibility in the Orthodox Sharia and how Jizya was extorted from innocent people by the Arabs.

You made a comparison of Jiyza to open tax evasion by Muslims in the UK. I followed this point and addressed it.

To partly understand why, you would need to know what happened to the pagan ruler of Mecca who unrelentingly and continuously schemed, planned and tried to hunt down and kill MP until he was forced to surrender after his city was conquered by MPs army just a couple of years before MP died?

A hearsay story from 2-3 centuries after the event told by the victor.

What was the the punishment under Islamic law for him and his grown sons who didn't just refuse to convert but actively tried to murder MP?

Irrelevant as this does not justify Muhammad' other acts. Good acts do not whitewash the bad ones.

 

[Milton Platt]

Salm and Salam are the root words for the “Islam” which mean peace and tranquility. The importance of peace and tranquility has been pointed to in the Quran numerous times.

The Quran says: “But if the enemy shows a tendency to peace, do thou (also) show a tendency to peace…”

What is wrong with calling Islam religion of peace?

Because not all Islamists are peaceful???

So, does this quote indicate that everyone who is not Islamist is an enemy even thought they may be peaceful??? It seems to.....

 

[Milton Platt]

This is intriguing: "Several studies have shown that certain girls, particularly African-American girls, experience puberty earlier than others, but there’s an ongoing debate about what that might mean."

Genetics, Puberty and African American Girls

A large factor is the relative amount of fat on the body, because hormones are stored in the fat.

 

[Shad]

Wasn't British people was doing the same thing on those day? Getting married to 10 year old girls.

We do not hold up the British as a paragon of virtue nor a religious icon. More so most modern Brits would accept these are acts of primitives that didn't know better and not to be emulated. You will never reach this point as it would undermine your religious narrative.

 

[sovietchild]

We do not hold up the British as a paragon of virtue nor a religious icon. More so most modern Brits would accept these are acts of primitives that didn't know better and not to be emulated. You will never reach this point as it would undermine your religious narrative.

Was Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha religious or political?

 

[Shad]

Was Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha religious or political?

Irrelevant response to my post.

 

[Notanumber]

The KKK has been mentioned frequently on this forum, but is their manifesto as brutal and controlling as that of Islam?

 

[YmirGF]

Was Prophet Muhammad's marriage to Aisha religious or political?

Neither. He was wholly smitten by her from the first moment he saw her. My guess? Simple human lust just like it is nowadays with people who are attracted to young children.

 

[J2hapydna]

He converted after he and his people lost. After he lost the power he had.

This sounds like the case of a man and his sons who hated the teachings of Islam and who hated MP and his followers but converted to plead leniency near the end of MPs ministry after their city was conquered.

These were, for example, no Abo Bakrs - a childhood friend of MP, a trusted companion who understood the principles of MPs teachings and loved MP from the beginning

They also we're not people who harmlessly resisted conversion or merely followed orders in war. These were the masterminds behind all the murder torture plotting and killing of Muslims.

So, what was their punishment for masterminding and unrelentingly attempting to murder MP for most of his life as a prophet? Did the Muslims chop off their hands and feet from opposite sides and crucify them under Islamic law? Isn't that what the laws proscribes? If not, what kind of revenge did MP exact on them? For example, if their lives were spared, after chopping their hands and feet off, were they relegated to lives in dungeons, slavery or cleaning toilets? What did the so called, sick, insane, intolerant, merciless, vengeful hatefilled prophet do to them?

Thanks

 

[J2hapydna]

Irrelevant as this does not justify Muhammad' other acts. Good acts do not whitewash the bad ones.

Yes, I have questions about those acts too. However, first I wanted to learn about the most obvious and pressing threat faced by MP i.e. the pagan Meccan leader threat

 

[J2hapydna]

A hearsay story from 2-3 centuries after the event told by the victor.

Yes, most of the stories from that period are hearsay. I'd like to get your views on what isn't hearsay and can be trusted too. However, indulge me for now. I'm trying to figure out who is the victor in these stories and who wrote these stories

 

[J2hapydna]

@sovietchild - Is Muhammad an eternal moral exemplar? Is it OK to have sex with 10-year-old girls?

I thought she was 9?