What is wrong with calling Islam religion of peace?

[Kirran]

Islam wants peace. There is no other explanation as to why jews and christians were protected during islamic empires.

Similarly to how Jews, Christians and Muslims are protected in secular countries?

 

[Akivah]

How is it okay to raid Muslims houses and take what is in there and It's not okay to take back what stolen?

If they stole $1000 worth of stuff from Muslims. How come it's not okay to take back those things that worth $1000?

Aren't Muslims supposed to be more peaceful than anyone else? How is retaliation by Muslims considered peaceful?

 

[Shrew]

When almost every terror attack in the world is carried out by a Muslim in the name of Islam, it sounds a little bit like a bad joke.

 

[sovietchild]

I think it is true, but here is what the Islamic sources say about the caravan raids:

"A caravan of Quraish carrying dry raisins and leather and other merchandise of Quraish passed by...” Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 424

"When the Apostle heard about Abu Sufyan coming from Syria, he summoned the Muslims and said, “This is the Quraish caravan containing their property. Go out to attack it, perhaps Allah will give it as a prey."” Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 428

The merch wasn't that of the Muslims.

Okay but was it the same worth?

It's like trading gold for oil. They stole you gold, you take their oil.

 

[sovietchild]

When almost every terror attack in the world is carried out by a Muslim in the name of Islam, it sounds a little bit like a bad joke.

Where did the attack originated from? Didn't western societies came to middle eastern for oil? Didn't they destroy country after country?

 

[Kirran]

Okay but was it the same worth?

It's like trading gold for oil. They stole you gold, you take their oil.

So every Meccan was to blame for what some Meccans had done?

 

[Rival]

Okay but was it the same worth?

It's like trading gold for oil. They stole you gold, you take their oil.

They took the caravan trader's life.

That is not the same worth.

And the theft is still not right. The trader was an innocent man trying to live his life.

 

[Kirran]

Where did the attack originated from? Didn't western societies came to middle eastern for oil? Didn't they destroy country after country?

None of that requires that anybody kill civilians.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Similarly to how Jews, Christians and Muslims are protected in secular countries?

Sure there is protection too in lands of rebellion(rebellion against the Creator).

 

[sovietchild]

They took the caravan trader's life.

That is not the same worth.

Didn't they took Muslims life before that happened?

 

[Kirran]

Sure there is protection too in lands of rebellion(rebellion against the Creator).

There are secular Muslim countries man. And plenty of people who believe in God throughout the Western world, East Asia, Sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America and other secular regions.

 

[Rival]

Didn't they took Muslims life before that happened?

No. There was no violence before this.

 

[sovietchild]

None of that requires that anybody kill civilians.

How many civilians died under American bombs?

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

There are secular Muslim countries man. And plenty of people who believe in God throughout the Western world, East Asia, Sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America and other secular regions.

I believe personaly a muslim country cannot be secular, unless they are openly apostates/ex-muslims.


For example in Quran i believe the strict interpretation that those who dont judge by what Allah has revealed that they are disbelievers. So can a muslim country really be secular and still claim to be muslim?

 

[sovietchild]

No. There was no violence before this.

I thought they killed few Muslims before the war broke out.

 

[Kirran]

How many civilians died under American bombs?

Lots! It's screwed up.

I believe personaly a muslim country cannot be secular, unless they are openly apostates/ex-muslims.

Nevertheless, there are several secular countries where Muslims are in the majority.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Lots! It's screwed up.



Nevertheless, there are several secular countries where Muslims are in the majority.

Unfortunately u are right.
But i dont believe in fighting against secular apostate systems.

The best thing to do is being patient and asking Allah to replace them by muslim rulers.

 

[Kirran]

Unfortunately u are right.
But i dont believe in fighting against secular apostate systems.

The best thing to do is being patient and asking Allah to replace them by muslim rulers.

Those aren't mutually exclusive. We have a Muslim who supports secularism as the Mayor of London, in a secular government.

 

[Rival]

I thought they killed few Muslims before the war broke out.

Probably because the Muslims killed their caravan traders during the Holy Month?

 

[sovietchild]

It is up to people to create peace, not religions, which continue to fail miserably in that regard.

Religion is a way. Is it not?