YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
It only became theirs after they had stolen it.
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What is wrong with calling Islam religion of peace?
- Thread starter sovietchild
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
With Muhammad, it was always all about the booty.
One thought I had whilst trawling through this thread is that there is a connection between concepts of 'peace' or 'non-violence' with 'war'. As in, the absence of encouraging war would equate to non-violence. I would think things like treatment of apostates, adulterers and the like might suggest that even if war is not encouraged, the religion isn't particularly non-violent.
Although I realise some of this is driven by the particular flavour of Islam one subscribes to.
Although I realise some of this is driven by the particular flavour of Islam one subscribes to.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
No we really don't. There are plenty of flaws with democracy - I can cite a few particular ones about democracy in Britain if you like. That's a key difference - nobody is likely to be imprisoned or executed by the state for criticising flaws in democracy. The opposite is often true with Islam.
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
How did they stole it? Mecca pagans harassed Muslims, drove them out of their houses, beat them and took their belongings. And, so Muhammad took it back.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
So they can turn the blame back on the Jews like always. Because Muslims never do anything wrong, apparently. And they love to justify the history of Muslim violence by comparing their actions to the immoral infidels around them.
If your neighbour robbed your house, is it a valid response to rob your neighbour's house? Will a court rule in your favour?
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Have you never found it a bit odd that the Meccans would attack the Muslims, drive them out of the city, seize their property, then put it on a trade caravan and send that caravan past the city where the Muslim leader had established himself and his forces? That doesn't seem in the least bit odd to you?
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
If a bully takes your lunch at school and the next day you take it back from him. What's wrong with that?
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
Didn't you know the main route was on a way by Medina? Maybe 1 day ride on a horse from Medina, I'm not sure how far was the route from Medina.
It makes you just as immoral a person and it's not peaceful. The correct response is to tell someone in authority, in a modern society, and not retaliate with a kangaroo court.
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
Was there a court system back then? Was Arabia united back then? I thought Muhammad united Arabia.
There were leaders in Muhammad's day who I'm sure people could have gone to. Or he could have gone back to the Meccans and asked for their stuff returned? There was no need for violence.
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
Wasn't Arabia made of tribes? Didn't Muhammad united those tribes as one nation?
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
No he didn't because they splintered not long after he died and it was left to his spiritual successors to force the Arabian tribes back together and under heel.
Yes, and? There were Elders in the tribe and Chiefs who could have been called on for help. The Muslims could have levelled a fine on the Meccans in recompense for their belongings, as was also common back then.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
There is no such thing as a religion of peace; none of them. Not even Buddhism.
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
Islam is a path. How is it that there is no such a thing as a peaceful way?
sovietchild
Well-Known Member
You prob. don't understand how we boys do things. If someones punches us, we will punch back.
Doesn't make it right. And definitely not peaceful.