Except when they do not, as so many Muslims learned of both as accomplices and victims of the times when they faltered.
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What is wrong with calling Islam religion of peace?
- Thread starter sovietchild
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Except when they do not, as so many Muslims learned of both as accomplices and victims of the times when they faltered.
sovietchild
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Don't you think Meccan pegans tradition was to deceive others in order to obtain money?
But raiding caravans is okay?
sovietchild
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I thought they took back what was theirs.
No. They were Meccan trading caravans.
And even if it were theirs, which it wasn't, that's not a reason to kill the driver.
Why on Earth would you assume that?
They had their own religion based on the worship of many divine figures, including Abraham, Jesus, Allat etc, who acted to intercede for humans at a more immediate level than the high God, Allah, who was seen as distant.
Even taking for granted that it is selfish, misleading deception, that would still be peaceful, don't you think?
sovietchild
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How is it okay to raid Muslims houses and take what is in there and It's not okay to take back what stolen?
If they stole $1000 worth of stuff from Muslims. How come it's not okay to take back those things that worth $1000?
sovietchild
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How were they not deceiving others in order to obtain money? Physical needs comes first.
They were raiding caravans. The stuff wasn't theirs. Once the Muslims had left Mecca, the Meccans took their stuff. I guess if the Muslims didn't want that to happen, they should have taken it with them?
Two wrongs don't make a right.
In what way were they deceiving anybody? It was a place of pilgrimage for people, and yes no doubt the people living there profited from that. As they still do today.
sovietchild
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Yes, anti-social practices seems to be peaceful. But it does not mean it should be practiced. Right?
sovietchild
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I thought Muslims left their stuff. And then those house got raided.
True enough, but that hardly serves your attempt to present violent retaliation as somehow "peaceful".
And that is before considering whether their preaching is any less true or valid than Muhammad's.
The Muslims had left. They'd gone to Yathrib. As far as the Meccans were concerned, their old houses were probably fair game. They didn't live there anymore.
sovietchild
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So, is the story of Mecca pagans raiding their houses not true?
MonkeyFire
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Imo.the all mighty doesn't fight what so ever and this creates nirvana.
It is up to people to create peace, not religions, which continue to fail miserably in that regard.
Servant_of_the_One1
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Islam wants peace. There is no other explanation as to why jews and christians were protected during islamic empires.
However islam means Submission to the will of Allah.
I think it is true, but here is what the Islamic sources say about the caravan raids:
"A caravan of Quraish carrying dry raisins and leather and other merchandise of Quraish passed by...” Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 424
"When the Apostle heard about Abu Sufyan coming from Syria, he summoned the Muslims and said, “This is the Quraish caravan containing their property. Go out to attack it, perhaps Allah will give it as a prey."” Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 428
The merch wasn't that of the Muslims.
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