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What is wrong with Islam?

Kirran

Premium Member
I am happy that you chose first to emphasize on what we both agree. As for Danish cartoon controversy, I don't know much about it. I do however know about the killings in Paris? and the truth is I'm kinda on both sides. Both are wrong.

For many people, it's rather hard to believe how someone can put the two "sides" here on a similar footing. Surely one is unequivocally worse?
 

kaoticprofit

Active Member
Everything is wrong with islamophobic racists
I'm a total Islamophobe. People who DON'T fear Islam are irrational. Brigitte Gabriel wrote a few books that sum it up. "BECAUSE THEY HATE" and "THEY MUST BE STOPPED." One website says, "It isn't islamophobia when they really are trying to kill you." Just wait and see what Islam has in store for America. Coming soon to a city near you.

How many friends did you lose on September 11, 2001!
 
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Kirran

Premium Member
I'm a total Islamophobe. People who DON'T fear Islam are irrational. Brigitte Gabriel wrote a few books that sum it up. "BECAUSE THEY HATE" and "THEY MUST BE STOPPED." One website says, "It isn't islamophobia when they really are trying to kill you. "Just wait and see what Islam has in store for america. Coming soon to a city near you.

Whose Islam? That of Reza Aslan or Michael Muhammad Knight, or that of Zakir Naik, Adnan Ibrahim or Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi?
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Islam is Islam. You can't separate one sect from another. The same with Christianity. All sects reflect the religion.

This implies there is some abstract 'pure religion' which they all come from - if you could identify it?

I think religions as we find them to be, and we generally find them to be varied.

I'm not gonna blame a UCC adherent for the homophobia of a Southern Baptist, any more than I'll blame an MPV member for gender segregation preached by some Al-Azhar scholar.
 

kaoticprofit

Active Member
I kinda agree with you on that one. However since you are an American do you anything about Orthodox Christianity? I believe that Catholics believe that Jesus is god but Orthodox does not.
The reason why I call myself a "Catholic Non-Trinitarian futurist believer" is because I was nearly banned from one forum for being non-trinitarian yet calling myself Catholic. To go any further with this would be a major derailment.
 

kaoticprofit

Active Member
Kirran said,

This implies there is some abstract 'pure religion' which they all come from - if you could identify it?

Why does it? That's only true about false religions because BABYLON gave birth to false religions.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
A minority of Muslims are terrorists, but it's also a minority that are pacifistic, in favour of free speech, respecting of women's and queer people's rights and dignity, respecting of other religions and spiritualities, not afraid of questioning and differences of opinion etc. Here's hoping that latter minority keeps growing.

But it does rather murk the issue when attackers and defenders alike focus on terrorism.

In the words of a typical thirteen year old girl on any sitcom...
Totes agree.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I am happy that you chose first to emphasize on what we both agree. As for Danish cartoon controversy, I don't know much about it. I do however know about the killings in Paris, and the truth is I'm kinda on both sides. Both are wrong.

Yup...to be clear, I'm an atheist, but not an anti-theist. I have no issue with religion or theists, etc as a whole.

Some specific beliefs are a different story, but I try not to prejudge. Like anyone, I guess I have times I manage that better than others!

So, Paris then. I'm fine with people disagreeing vehemently with the cartoonists and their message.

Death threats are out though.

And killing? No way. So whilst I can see both being wrong, in your opinion, is there a distinction on level? For example, are they both things you find distasteful, are they both things which should be illegal, etc?

Oh, and just in case you are interested...on the Danish cartoons, etc.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1907545
 

kaoticprofit

Active Member
Kirran said,
Ah, so you have a true one? Surely it'd be true about the true one even more?

There are NO true religions. There is however, ONE TRUE GOD! Christianity is a debacled religion because of its followers. There's not one true religion on planet earth.
 
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