What is wrong with Islam?

[Shadow Wolf]

This wise man talks a lot of sense about the Islamic Terrorism threat that we are facing.

It's far more likely that I'll die from a drunk driver, or someone murdering me than I am to die at the hands of a Jihadist. With that said, Conservative Christians are actively working to strip me and millions of others of their rights over absolutely nothing more than what they think they read in some ancient book that permits the keeping (and even abducting women for purposes of) sex slaves.

 

[Notanumber]

It's far more likely that I'll die from a drunk driver, or someone murdering me than I am to die at the hands of a Jihadist. With that said, Conservative Christians are actively working to strip me and millions of others of their rights over absolutely nothing more than what they think they read in some ancient book that permits the keeping (and even abducting women for purposes of) sex slaves.

Do you have some links?

 

[sovietchild]

Do you have some links?

• One person is killed every half-hour due to drunk driving
• Each year approximately 16,000 are killed in alcohol related crashes
• Alcohol is a factor in almost half of all traffic fatalities
• Every other minute a person is seriously injured in an alcohol related crash

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Drunk Driving Facts - Drunk Driving Statistics

 

[Notanumber]

• One person is killed every half-hour due to drunk driving
• Each year approximately 16,000 are killed in alcohol related crashes
• Alcohol is a factor in almost half of all traffic fatalities
• Every other minute a person is seriously injured in an alcohol related crash

*For more drunk driving facts to help you teach the right lessons, check our other articles and categories

Drunk Driving Facts - Drunk Driving Statistics

Sorry I meant links regarding these Christians that S/Wolf mentioned.

BTW, did you see those questions I asked you in post #577?

 

[sovietchild]

Sorry I meant links regarding these Christians that S/Wolf mentioned.

BTW, did you see those questions I asked you in post #577?

I'm not home. This computers audio is muted.

 

[gnostic]

@gnostic and @Notanumber What was Muhammad known for before he started to preach a religion?

His father and uncle were merchants, so when his mother died, his uncle (Abu Talib) took the orphan in, training Muhammad to become a merchant.

As I understand it, his first wife, Khadija, was a widow and a successful merchant. She was also related to the younger Muhammad, when she employed or hired him, before they married.

The detail of Muhammad about his life before becoming a prophet (in 610), are at not very reliable, because they are often distorted and embellished, as they are when he became during his prophethood (610 - 632). The Qur'an doesn't provide much in detail about Muhammad's own life, and I would hardly call the Qur'an, a "history" book.

According to these biographies he was a very astute and wise merchant, said to be known for his trustworthiness. But like I have said, these biographies and history about Muhammad (both before and after becoming a prophet) are not reliable, and the earliest biography was over a century after Muhammad's death, in the 8th and 9th centuries.

 

[sovietchild]

His father and uncle were merchants, so when his mother died, his uncle (Abu Talib) took the orphan in, training Muhammad to become a merchant.

As I understand it, his first wife, Khadija, was a widow and a successful merchant. She was also related to the younger Muhammad, when she employed or hired him, before they married.

The detail of Muhammad about his life before becoming a prophet (in 610), are at not very reliable, because they are often distorted and embellished, as they are when he became during his prophethood (610 - 632). The Qur'an doesn't provide much in detail about Muhammad's own life, and I would hardly call the Qur'an, a "history" book.

According to these biographies he was a very astute and wise merchant, said to be known for his trustworthiness. But like I have said, these biographies and history about Muhammad (both before and after becoming a prophet) are not reliable, and the earliest biography was over a century after Muhammad's death, in the 8th and 9th centuries.

How can a trustworthy person can become a pirate? After all, pirates usually drink and party.

 

[Kirran]

How can a trustworthy person can become a pirate? After all, pirates usually drink and party.

It seems likely that his followers would say he was trustworthy, doesn't it. Seeing as they're the only ones talking about him, we don't have anything to check their biased testimony against. So why believe it?

Who said he was a pirate? And who said he was a stereotypical pirate from the 17th Century Caribbean?

 

[Notanumber]

I'm not home. This computers audio is muted.

Fair enough, they’ll keep until you get back.

Maybe someone else would like to provide the answers in the meantime.

 

[sovietchild]

It seems likely that his followers would say he was trustworthy, doesn't it. Seeing as they're the only ones talking about him, we don't have anything to check their biased testimony against. So why believe it?

Who said he was a pirate? And who said he was a stereotypical pirate from the 17th Century Caribbean?

He was also known as trustworthy by pagans.

I recommend this book.

 

[Kirran]

He was also known as trustworthy by pagans.

I recommend this book.

Says who? Muslims?

Are there pagan records of him being trustworthy, are there Christian records, Jewish records?

Thanks for the recommendation, I'll have a look into it!

 

[sovietchild]

Says who? Muslims?

Are there pagan records of him being trustworthy, are there Christian records, Jewish records?

Thanks for the recommendation, I'll have a look into it!

He was known as trustworthy even before he started to preach Islam.

 

[Kirran]

He was known as trustworthy even before he started to preach Islam.

According to who? Who has told you this? Where are you getting this information from? Is it Islamic sources?

 

[sovietchild]

According to who? Who has told you this? Where are you getting this information from?

The Sealed Nectar book and this cartoon.

 

[Kirran]

The Sealed Nectar book and this cartoon.

I am not sure if you are being tongue-in-cheek by this point - but obviously an Islamic source is going to say nice things about Muhammad. As the Islamic tradition solidified in the generations after his death, people were beefing up his story by adding things like how he was trustworthy and kind and mixing little stories from other traditions in with him until you have to take everything said about him with a pinch of salt.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Do you have some links?

Links for what? Do you actually need a link to verify you're much more likely to be killed by a drunk driver than a Jihadist? Or that Conservative Christians are working to undermine and erode the rights of various minority groups?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Deadly Statistics

• The odds of being the victim of a shark attack are 1 in 11.5 million worldwide. Although there are 65 annual shark attacks each year, only a handful are fatal. Compared to this, a person is 3 times more likely to drown and 30 times more likely to be hit by lightning.
• Compared to being killed by a dog, the likelihood of which is 1 in 18 million, a person is twice as likely to win the lottery and 5 times as likely to be struck by lightning.
• One in 8 men and 1 in 24 women over the age of 40 will die from a sudden heart attack, while 1 in 4 men and 1 in 5 women will die from cancer.
• Worldwide, 1 in about 2,050 people will die each year from unclean water, which carries numerous, life-threatening diseases. Each year, more people die from a lack of clean water than from wars.
• The chances of being killed in a terrorist attack are about 1 in 20 million. A person is as likely to be killed by his or her own furniture, and more likely to die in a car accident, drown in a bathtub, or in a building fire than from a terrorist attack.
• The chances a person will be killed by an asteroid are 1 in 200,000, which is much higher than the odds of being killed by hail, which is 1 in 734,400,000.
• Each year, 1 out of 100,000 people die in a skydiving accident, which is 17 times lower than the risk of dying in a car accident.
• 11 out of every 100,000 women in the United States will die after giving birth, which is ranked ahead of 40 other countries in maternal mortality. Obesity and the prevalence of C-sections have contributed to the increase in maternal mortality rates.
• The odds of dying in a severe storm are 1 in 68,388. A person is more likely to die slipping in his or her bathtub, which occurs at a rate of 1 in 11,469.
• A person’s chances of dying in an elevator are 1 in 10,440,000. Due to successful elevator brake systems, an elevator has plunged only once—in the Empire State Building in 1945.
• The lifetime probability of dying in a car accident is 1 in 100, which is 200 times higher than the probability of dying in a plane crash.
• While 1 out of 5 people fear the possibility of being murdered, the odds that a person will be murdered in any given year are about 1 in 18,690. According to the FBI, violent crime is now at a near-historic low.
• According to the CDC, the infant mortality rate is about 6 for every 1,000 live births, which is more than 10 times higher than the mortality rate of the county with the highest vehicle mortality rate—San Bernardino, California—in the country.
• The chance of being killed by a bear while visiting Yellowstone National Park is 1 in 2.1 million. As a park visitor, a person is more likely to die from drowning or burns sustained from falling into a thermal pool.

As you can see, a terrorism attack is one of the least likeliest ways you'll die, about as likely as being crushed by your own furniture.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Before the revelation of the Holy Qur’an, the Holy Prophet could neither write with his own hand nor could he read anything written by the others. How could have then the prophet authored such an unmatchable book by himself.

There's no reason to believe he did it by himself beyond theological confirmation bias. A wealthy trader growing up in an affluent family could almost certainly have paid literate men to scribe for him.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

In the ancient world there were even kings and emperors who were illiterate.

Of course there were. The Celts are a great example of a pre-literate culture. However this is no reason to presume Muhammad was illiterate, nor that he grew up in an illiterate society.

 

[Notanumber]

Links for what? Do you actually need a link to verify you're much more likely to be killed by a drunk driver than a Jihadist? Or that Conservative Christians are working to undermine and erode the rights of various minority groups?

Providing links to back up your statements seems to be the natural thing to do, so I naturally asked for those links. Was I wrong to do so?

As I said earlier, it the links to the information regarding the Conservative Christians that interested me. You must have read some reports at least that you can refer me to. TIA