What is wrong with Prophet Muhammad’s morality?

[Nakosis]

What is wrong with Prophet Muhammad’s morality? Some people say Prophet Muhammad was this and that. Do they even know anything about him? Do they even know what he was known for?

Should Muhammad's morality even matter? I mean if he spoke for/on Allah's behalf? Muhammad is not supposed to be perfect like with the case of Jesus is he? That's what Prophets do right? Speak for God, not for themselves?

In the Quran, does it differentiate between revelation and good advise/wisdom provided by Muhammad himself? Or is it portrayed like the Bible, infallible?

Man with or with out a belief in God is going to be fallible. Can a good Muslim question the words of Muhammad or not? If not, then his life, his actions shouldn't matter. Sure Muhammad may have strived to be a good Muslim but being human he is going to make mistakes and bad decisions.

 

[gnostic]

Thanks for the explanation gnostic, that greatly clarifies your position.

I actually can see your points, once you have tackled it slightly different. So, thank you.

I truly don't know enough about Muhammad's life history or rise to power to properly comment on when he acquired the traits you mention.

I too doubt that he, or anyone, was born hating certain people, and that he was likely a of product of nature and the circumstances / decisions that shaped him through life.

My observation was only that it's rare for people to make a 180 degree turn from who they truly are when they assume the mantle of power. More often, the exercise of power reveals their true intentions / nature, however they acquired them.

It doesn't seem we disagree on this point after all.

I get what you mean.

In many ways, you are right.

I think that when Muhammad began preaching in Mecca, he wanted everyone to leave their religions and join his, by claiming he is a prophet.

I think that his resentment and anger grew each time people (pagans and Jews) rejected his claim of being a prophet or mock his teachings. I think that both Meccan pagans and Jews living in Mecca hurt him with their rejection.

He was especially hurt by Jews because part of that he modelled part of his religion with Jewish teachings. He tried to encourage Jews to convert to Islam, by asking his followers to pray in the direction of Jerusalem.

But by the time he was in Medina, he revealed his petty and vindictive nature, not only for his hostility towards Jews by banishing or fighting them, he then tell Muslims not pray in the direction of Jerusalem, but to pray in direction towards Mecca.

That's how petty Muhammad is.

His nature did exist before gaining real political and military power in Medina, but how far back in time, I can only guess.

 

[Nakosis]

Something I came across...

Talha narrates: I was walking with the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) when he passed by some people at the tops of their palm trees. He asked, “What are they doing?” They answered, “Pollinating the male into the female.” He replied, “I do not think that this will be of benefit.” When they were told about what the Prophet said, they stopped what they were doing. Later, when the trees shed down their fruits prematurely, the Prophet was told about that. He said, “If it is good for them they should do it. I was just speculating. So, pardon me. But if I tell you something about God, then take it because I would never tell untruths about God.”

So when Muhammad was saying something about Allah, he was infallible in that regard. However in his personal life and decisions he was fallible. So I would conclude the morality of his life doesn't matter much other than you could maybe determine how "righteous" he was according to his own statements about Allah.

 

[Nakosis]

What is wrong with Prophet Muhammad’s morality? Some people say Prophet Muhammad was this and that. Do they even know anything about him? Do they even know what he was known for?

So what about the case of Abu Afak & Asma? Both murdered at Muhammad's command for the crime of writing poems critical of Islam?

 

[Ingledsva]

so she was raped by Abraham and his wife Sarah who gave Hagar to him?

So are your sympathies with the victim or the rapist?

What? I think you misread that.

Hagar is a raped, and impregnated slave, whom they then callously cast into the desert, with her baby.

Hagar is a victim.

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[Cobol]

A few words on Muhammad

Muhammad showed all the symptoms of his lunacy and his prophetic claim, based on the quicksand of grand delusion. But the irony is that the entire religion of Islam is based on the truth claim of such a man who could easily swing back and forth between the two extremes - reality and fantasy. Like the mythological Narcissus, he actually worshiped his own image - not God. He had created Allah in his own image and attributed to that God the qualities of his own self. He used Islam to pervade Muslim psyche, and possessed their mind. Islam is an extremely defenseless religion and hence vulnerable to collapse. There is not a single atom of truth in it to support. This religion, originated from the grand delusion of a malignant Narcissist. It is merely a hoax. It is like a house of cards - looks tall, big, mighty and gigantic but the base is weak.

 

[sovietchild]

A few words on Muhammad

Muhammad showed all the symptoms of his lunacy and his prophetic claim, based on the quicksand of grand delusion. But the irony is that the entire religion of Islam is based on the truth claim of such a man who could easily swing back and forth between the two extremes - reality and fantasy. Like the mythological Narcissus, he actually worshiped his own image - not God. He had created Allah in his own image and attributed to that God the qualities of his own self. He used Islam to pervade Muslim psyche, and possessed their mind. Islam is an extremely defenseless religion and hence vulnerable to collapse. There is not a single atom of truth in it to support. This religion, originated from the grand delusion of a malignant Narcissist. It is merely a hoax. It is like a house of cards - looks tall, big, mighty and gigantic but the base is weak.

What is the base? Do you even know anything about Prophet Muhammad? Have you ever read a book about his autobiography?

 

[Cobol]

What is the base? Do you even know anything about Prophet Muhammad? Have you ever read a book about his autobiography?

Muhammad enticed peoples with the promise of carnal pleasures, to the desire of which the concupiscence of the flesh instigates. He also delivered commandments in keeping with his promises, by giving the reins to carnal pleasure, wherein it is easy for carnal men to obey.
He asserted that he was sent in the power of arms, a sign that is not lacking even to robbers and tyrants. Again, those who believed in him from the outset were not wise men, but beast like men who dwelt in the wilds, utterly ignorant of all sacred teaching; and it was by a multitude of such men and the force of arms that he compelled others to submit to his law.

 

[sovietchild]

Muhammad enticed peoples with the promise of carnal pleasures, to the desire of which the concupiscence of the flesh instigates. He also delivered commandments in keeping with his promises, by giving the reins to carnal pleasure, wherein it is easy for carnal men to obey.
He asserted that he was sent in the power of arms, a sign that is not lacking even to robbers and tyrants. Again, those who believed in him from the outset were not wise men, but beast like men who dwelt in the wilds, utterly ignorant of all sacred teaching; and it was by a multitude of such men and the force of arms that he compelled others to submit to his law.

Let's continue where we left of, shall we? Let me you remind you where we left of. According to you he was insane.

1) Muhammad 55 old men had 4 wives and had sex multiple times a day. 2) He was an army commander.

3) Did you know Prophet Muhammad was one of the best, if not the best merchants around? How can insane man be known to be best merchants around? Merchants were one of the best jobs at the time.

 

[Cobol]

Did you know Prophet Muhammad was one of the best, if not the best merchants around? How can insane man be known to be best merchants around? Merchants were one of the best jobs at the time.

Deranged people can be high achievers.


Muhammad, like Hitler, Stalin and all other megalomaniac insane dictators, was a narcissist. By emulating a narcissist Muslims have entered into his bubble universe, act like him and think like him. As the result they have acquired his disorder. It is the habit of the narcissist to blame his victims. It is always the fault of the victim. “You made me do it”, is the narcissist’s excuse.

Muhammad boasted: “I have been made victorious with terror”. He raided villages and took the civilians by surprise, killed unarmed men and took their wives and children as war booty.

 

[sovietchild]

Deranged people can be high achievers.


Muhammad, like Hitler, Stalin and all other megalomaniac insane dictators, was a narcissist.

What about those humans who worship an image of a human? Do you think its a self worship - they are their own gods?

 

[Cobol]

What about those humans who worship an image of a human? Do you think its a self worship - they are their own gods?

That would depend on the individuals opinion, not mine. I personally don't have a viewpoint, nor do i care to.

 

[sovietchild]

That would depend on the individuals opinion, not mine. I personally don't have a viewpoint, nor do i care to.

So, according to you Muhammad was narcissistic, but those humans who worship human image are not. Right?

 

[Cobol]

So, according to you Muhammad was narcissistic, but those humans who worship human image are not. Right?

Most individuals aren't asking for worship.

Muhammad instructed his followers to pray to him directly during their daily acts of worship:

Abdullah said, "Whenever we prayed behind the Prophet we used to recite. All the compliments, prayers and good things are due to Allah: peace be on YOU, O Prophet and Allah's mercy and blessings be on YOU.

Muhammad actually taught a blind man to pray to Allah as well as to himself.

Oh Allah, I ask You and turn to You through my Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of mercy; O MUHAMMAD (YA MUHAMMAD), I SEEK YOUR INTERCESSION with my Lord for the return of my eyesight.

 

[sovietchild]

Most individuals aren't asking for worship.

Muhammad instructed his followers to pray to him directly during their daily acts of worship:

Abdullah said, "Whenever we prayed behind the Prophet we used to recite. All the compliments, prayers and good things are due to Allah: peace be on YOU, O Prophet and Allah's mercy and blessings be on YOU.

Muhammad actually taught a blind man to pray to Allah as well as to himself.

Oh Allah, I ask You and turn to You through my Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of mercy; O MUHAMMAD (YA MUHAMMAD), I SEEK YOUR INTERCESSION with my Lord for the return of my eyesight.

Yes because that's how its done. Praying behind the leader.

 

[Cobol]

 

[sovietchild]

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Whats with the child molestation?

Historically within the Catholic Church, prior to the 1917 Code of Canon Law, the minimum age for a dissoluble betrothal was 7 years in the contractees.

.. in 1396, Richard II of England was joined in marriage to young Isabel of France, who had been 7 years old when their engagement was announced the previous year in Paris. Not only was there no uproar; there was considerable happiness expressed over the assumed probability that this marriage would end the Hundred Years War then in one of its periodic states of truce between the two kingdoms. Peace was to be ensured by joining together this man and this little girl in marriage.

 

[Cobol]

Whats with the child molestation?

Historically within the Catholic Church, prior to the 1917 Code of Canon Law, the minimum age for a dissoluble betrothal was 7 years in the contractees.

.. in 1396, Richard II of England was joined in marriage to young Isabel of France, who had been 7 years old when their engagement was announced the previous year in Paris. Not only was there no uproar; there was considerable happiness expressed over the assumed probability that this marriage would end the Hundred Years War then in one of its periodic states of truce between the two kingdoms. Peace was to be ensured by joining together this man and this little girl in marriage.

I'm certainly not condoning that.

 

[sovietchild]

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It is not allowed to paint a picture of Muhammad, because they dont want people to worship him like people worship Jesus.

 

[Cobol]

Most individuals aren't asking for worship.

Muhammad instructed his followers to pray to him directly during their daily acts of worship:

Abdullah said, "Whenever we prayed behind the Prophet we used to recite. All the compliments, prayers and good things are due to Allah: peace be on YOU, O Prophet and Allah's mercy and blessings be on YOU.

Muhammad actually taught a blind man to pray to Allah as well as to himself.

Oh Allah, I ask You and turn to You through my Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of mercy; O MUHAMMAD (YA MUHAMMAD), I SEEK YOUR INTERCESSION with my Lord for the return of my eyesight.