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What is wrong with raiding the caravans?

sovietchild

sovietchild

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Some users of this forum paint Prophet Muhammad as a thief or a hypocrite, because he raided the caravans which belonged to Mecca pagans.

What is wrong with raiding the caravans which belong to people who constantly beat your people, robbed your people and murdered your people?
 
Rival

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Diex Aie
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sovietchild said:
What is wrong with raiding the caravans which belong to people who constantly beat your people, robbed your people and murdered your people?
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Were our responses in your other thread not enough for you?

No, they weren't, because you've already made the decision that the sun shined out of Muhammad's behind and everything he did was golden.

Nothing we say is going to convince you otherwise.
 
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David1967

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sovietchild said:
Some users of this forum paint Prophet Muhammad as a thief or a hypocrite, because he raided the caravans which belonged to Mecca pagans.

What is wrong with raiding the caravans which belong to people who constantly beat your people, robbed your people and murdered your people?
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I make no such judgment regarding Muhammad. I don't think we can make a judgment on this by todays standards any more than we can make a judgment concerning the brutal things that Moses or Joshua did toward the Canaanites of their time by todays standards. Those were very different times than today.
 
sovietchild

sovietchild

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David1967 said:
I make no such judgment regarding Muhammad. I don't think we can make a judgment on this by todays standards any more than we can make a judgment concerning the brutal things that Moses or Joshua did toward the Canaanites of their time by todays standards. Those were very different times than today.
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I agree. Different times. Back then Arabia was nothing but land of Arab tribes. Right? Please.
Regards.
 
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Diex Aie
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David1967 said:
I make no such judgment regarding Muhammad. I don't think we can make a judgment on this by todays standards any more than we can make a judgment concerning the brutal things that Moses or Joshua did toward the Canaanites of their time by todays standards. Those were very different times than today.
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The difference is that Muslims view Muhammad as the ultimate moral example and try to follow his sunnah in every aspect of life. That basically means bringing 7th c. behaviours into 2017.
 
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David1967

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sovietchild said:
I agree. Different times. Back then Arabia was nothing but land of Arab tribes. Right? Please.
Regards.
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I'm no historian on the Arab lands of Mohamed's time . You would know much more of that history, no doubt. But yes. Different time, different issues between people.
 
sovietchild

sovietchild

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YmirGF said:
Exactly, if we cannot judge him by 21st century standards than neither should we seek to bring his warped 7th century morality into the 21st century.
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What is wrong with Prophet Muhammad morality? He was known for honesty.

Prophet Muhammad once said, "feed the hungry, visit the sick and free the captive".
 
sovietchild

sovietchild

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"The strong man is not the good wrestler; the strong man is only the one who controls himself when he is angry." - Prophet Muhammad
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

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sovietchild said:
Some users of this forum paint Prophet Muhammad as a thief or a hypocrite, because he raided the caravans which belonged to Mecca pagans.

What is wrong with raiding the caravans which belong to people who constantly beat your people, robbed your people and murdered your people?
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Nothing, as long as you don't mind feeding an ever-widening cycle of mutual violence. Absolutely nothing.

sovietchild said:
What is wrong with Prophet Muhammad morality? He was known for honesty.

Prophet Muhammad once said, "feed the hungry, visit the sick and free the captive".
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Do you truly want an answer? I don't think it is that hard to find one if you do.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

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sovietchild said:
What is wrong with Prophet Muhammad's morality?
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Allll right then.

It was bloodthirsty. It used monotheism as an excuse for violence and disregard towards other people.

Perhaps worst of all, it relied on supposed divine assurance of eternal validity in order to cristalize tribalistic moral parameters, effectively forbiding Islaam from ever learning better. At this poin in history that is a grave flaw.


Prophet Muhammad was one of the best merchants around at the time. Prophet Muhammad chose to be a merchant because the merchant is the most beneficial human being in society. Everything we use in daily life is from commerce; chairs, clothes, glasses, medication … So all what is beneficial to the material well-being of people is from commerce.
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Good for him.
 
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