What is wrong with sharia law?

[sovietchild]

People are missing a key point. These nations with outrageous crime rates are corrupt from the top levels of government. Replacing the justice system does not solve the corruption from this level. It only provides another tool for a corrupt government. Corruption and justice are incomparable. It does not matter the justice system you use as none solve the core issues.

So, what is the best options for those nations? I think one of the best options is to have many races. The more different races you have in your nation the faster you will fix the problems.

 

[Godobeyer]

Yeah, in my opinion that's one of the deepest displays of barbarism and savagery found in the modern world. It's an example of how institutional dogma can deeply warp basic human decency.

Honestly this definition, It's close how I recognise the homosexuality,and adultery...immorality in general.

 

[Kirran]

Honestly this definition, It's close how I recognise the homosexuality,and adultery...immorality in general.

You really think that somebody harming nobody by acting to express their sexual inclinations in a consenting and loving manner is similar to killing people for doing so? If this is view is widespread in your country it's an indicator of real depravity in its culture.

I have plenty of friends who are gay, I have plenty of friends who have had relationships without being married (including my own parents). It is bizarre to me that you see them as being as immoral as the people who'd kill them for those things.

 

[Godobeyer]

You really think that somebody harming nobody by acting to express their sexual inclinations in a consenting and loving manner is similar to killing people for doing so? If this is view is widespread in your country it's an indicator of real depravity in its culture.

I have plenty of friends who are gay, I have plenty of friends who have had relationships without being married (including my own parents). It is bizarre to me that you see them as being as immoral as the people who'd kill them for those things.

It's was immorale before 100 years ago all over europe, do we have new generation of humanity,what new?

I do believe until now it's may consider immorale for many people in West.

I do consider it bizarre that man get lust of man than woman(prefered man,than woman) !
I do considere it bizarre than woman get lust by woman(not man)
As I do consider it bizarre that man/woman get lust for animals.

There is plenty things bizarres is considered normal in world,such strip clubs ,and adultery (hookers),

Just few dozens years slavery was normal in West, now it's immoral(unhuman act).

 

[Kirran]

It's was immorale before 100 years ago all over europe, do we have new generation of humanity,what new?

I do believe until now it's may consider immorale for many people in West.

I do consider it bizarre that man get lust of man than woman(prefered man,than woman) !
I do considere it bizarre than woman get lust by woman(not man)
As I do consider it bizarre that man/woman get lust for animals.

There is plenty things bizarres is considered normal in world,such strip clubs ,and adultery (hookers),

Just few dozens years slavery was normal in West, now it's immoral(unhuman act).

The immorality of homosexuality has never been a cultural universal, and is becoming ever less so as time goes by and we progress as a global society.

Of course you find it bizarre - you're not gay! I know gay men who find the idea of sex with women just as weird.

Adultery =/= prostitution.

I am glad you brought up the change in attitudes regarding slavery. That's an example of moral progress which the West made, and the Islamic world not too long afterwards. The same pattern seems to be panning with our views on homosexuality. I hope the Islamic world follows the West's lead on this one as it did with slavery.

 

[sovietchild]

What is wrong with those people who support sodomy acts?

 

[Kirran]

What is wrong with those people who support sodomy acts?

If I see a man and a woman walking down the street hand in hand, obviously a couple, perhaps married, my immediate thought is not 'They have sex! What kind of sex do they have? How often? Are there problems with it? Is it harming people? Should they be doing that?' Two people who are in a relationship together have an entire life, they fall in love, they get to know each other, they develop memories, they have families, they argue and make up, all that.

But apparently when you see a couple of the same sex, you don't see any of that stuff. You dehumanise them, and reduce them to walking sex freaks. Dehumanising of marginalised groups is what bigots have done for centuries upon centuries, and I hope that the light burns that hatred and ignorance from our society.

 

[Godobeyer]

The immorality of homosexuality has never been a cultural universal, and is becoming ever less so as time goes by and we progress as a global society.

I do believe in West there were people consider homosexuality as immorality,and abnormal act.

Of course you find it bizarre - you're not gay! I know gay men who find the idea of sex with women just as weird.

Majority of men are not gay.are straight.
Natural is woman for man.

Adultery =/= prostitution.

Thanks

I meant prostitution in West or for Westerns,and world as Philipine

I am glad you brought up the change in attitudes regarding slavery. That's an example of moral progress which the West made, and the Islamic world not too long afterwards. The same pattern seems to be panning with our views on homosexuality. I hope the Islamic world follows the West's lead on this one as it did with slavery.

It's seems as I can't convince the Western that stripping and hookers is kind of slavery, you can't convince us that homosexuality is not immorality.

btw how about whom get lust for animals,do you find that act natural ?

 

[Kirran]

I do believe in West there were people consider homosexuality as immorality,and abnormal act.

Sure, there are ignorant people everywhere. Fortunately almost every country in the world is advancing on this issue.

Majority of men are not gay.are straight.
Natural is woman for man.

The first of these sentences is correct. The second is not. You know homosexuality has been found in over 1500 species of animal?

Thanks

I meant prostitution in West or for Westerns as Philipine

I didn't understand this, sorry.

It's seems as I can't convince the Western that stripping and hookers is kind of slavery, you can't convince us that homosexuality is not immorality.

btw how about whom get lust for animals,do you find that act natural ?

I certainly have my problems with the sex trade. I think it's an issue with our society, yes.

Lust is not an act, lust is a feeling. I don't think people should have sex with non-human animals, as it would be harmful to the animal. But to be honest I think killing animals for eating is worse than raping them. So unless you're a vegetarian I don't think you have a leg to stand on in condemning it.

 

[Shad]

So, what is the best options for those nations? I think one of the best options is to have many races. The more different races you have in your nation the faster you will fix the problems.

Immigration is not going to resolve corruption. Adding a foreign element becomes something to exploit which has done in the developed world. Developing nations are more likely to exploit the outsider to unify a large portion of the population. More so not everyone shares the same values as a potential host nation nor wishes to assimilate. Isolation does not fix anything, it creates new problems.

For example if you accept the right to freedom of speech and freedom of expression (art) I have a right to criticize and produce whatever I please. If you believe certain views are off limits then you do not share the values of my nation. You can still move here by law but you are benefiting from the nation without believing it what it stands for. However if you do believe in those two values I do not care if you are Muslim, Christian, etc as we share common values thus common grounds. (You do not need to state your views. My point was hypothetical)

The best option I believe is to accept personal responsibility, acknowledge cultural issues and become motivated toward actually self-sacrifice. I do not mean merely protesting an issue then going home. Far too many shout slogans but do not even live by their slogans.

 

[Godobeyer]

If I see a man and a woman walking down the street hand in hand, obviously a couple, perhaps married, my immediate thought is not 'They have sex! What kind of sex do they have? How often? Are there problems with it? Is it harming people? Should they be doing that?' Two people who are in a relationship together have an entire life, they fall in love, they get to know each other, they develop memories, they have families, they argue and make up, all that.

But apparently when you see a couple of the same sex, you don't see any of that stuff. You dehumanise them, and reduce them to walking sex freaks. Dehumanising of marginalised groups is what bigots have done for centuries upon centuries, and I hope that the light burns that hatred and ignorance from our society.

I have a story,I don't know if it's true or just fake about African president jail two gays, the only condition they get free,one of them get pregnant

 

[Kirran]

I have a story,I don't know if it's true or just fake about African president jail two gays, the only condition they get free,one of them get pregnant

How disgusting.

 

[Godobeyer]

Sure, there are ignorant people everywhere. Fortunately almost every country in the world is advancing on this issue.

Advancing in what , in accepting immorality issues.
It's opinion not about world advancing.

The first of these sentences is correct. The second is not. You know homosexuality has been found in over 1500 species of animal?

I know it's animal act

I didn't understand this, sorry.

In West they allowed hookers and strippers,they travel to Philipine,Latino countries for sex tourism.
Which I consider it as kind of slaverity and shameful against humanity.

I certainly have my problems with the sex trade. I think it's an issue with our society, yes.

Good to know

Lust is not an act, lust is a feeling. I don't think people should have sex with non-human animals, as it would be harmful to the animal. But to be honest I think killing animals for eating is worse than raping them. So unless you're a vegetarian I don't think you have a leg to stand on in condemning it.

Are you vegetarian ?

By this method of way of thinking and immorality behaves,I think very soon it's will legitimate ,sex with animal,in West,You will be considered as backward person.

 

[Kirran]

Advancing in what , in accepting immorality issues.
It's opinion not about world advancing.

I'll word it more neutrally - global opinion is increasingly shifting in favour of acceptance of LGBT people.

In West they allowed hookers and strippers,they travel to Philipine,Latino countries for sex tourism.
Which I consider it as kind of slaverity and shameful against humanity.

Yeah, I think it's a major problem. Although you're fooling yourself if you think it's in some way characteristically Western. There are massive problems with the sex trade in the Arab world as well as in the West.

My mother lived in Oman for three years - she found it was very common for men to anally rape little boys as a recreational activity. There was even a saying - "Women are for children, boys are for pleasure."

Are you vegetarian ?

Yeah.

By this method of way of thinking and immorality behaves,I think very soon it's will legitimate ,sex with animal,in West,You will be considered as backward person.

Hardly the most imaginative strawman.

 

[Baladas]

I oppose theocracy on principle.
Especially systems of law violent enough, and backward enough to prescribe death for free thinking.

 

[Godobeyer]

I'll word it more neutrally - global opinion is increasingly shifting in favour of acceptance of LGBT people.

I do believe it about immorality,is just increased and become wide.

So we must slave to new global opinion,and to any global opinion ?

The "modern" world also accept also prostituation and strip.

Yeah, I think it's a major problem. Although you're fooling yourself if you think it's in some way characteristically Western. There are massive problems with the sex trade in the Arab world as well as in the West.

Prostituation or strip,in Western world is legal job,in Arab world just considered as dirty work.

My mother lived in Oman for three years - she found it was very common for men to anally rape little boys as a recreational activity. There was even a saying - "Women are for children, boys are for pleasure."

Sorry for you mom,that other issue,it's crime.

Hardly the most imaginative strawman.

In world accept immorality and becomes dirty mind,what you imagine today as impossible,it's could be possible in future.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I have a story,I don't know if it's true or just fake about African president jail two gays, the only condition they get free,one of them get pregnant

That isn't funny.

 

[Godobeyer]

That isn't funny.

It's funny if the story is fake.
I do notice that people make joke with all others, does gays had had exception?

 

[Kirran]

I do believe it about immorality,is just increased and become wide.

So we must slave to new global opinion,and to any global opinion ?

The "modern" world also accept also prostituation and strip.

I think that people should, and will, join in with our societal moral progression.

Like we did for slavery. There were people 200 years ago saying 'So what, we should just listen to global opinion and free these black people? How immoral!' I say 200 years ago, but of course it was much more recent in some parts of the world, and slavery remains a major problem in countries like Mauritania.

Does the modern world "accept" prostitution? I have see no evidence of this.

Prostituation or strip,in Western world is legal job,in Arab world just considered as dirty work.

Sorry for you mom,that other issue,it's crime.

Just because it's legal doesn't mean its socially approved of. But making dangerous activities legal allows us to regulate them at least.

I support the legalisation of marijuana too, but I don't actually support people smoking it.

Sure it's crime, but it's also a massive social phenomenon in many Arab countries, as well as in places like Afghanistan, where it's known as bacha bazi.

In world accept immorality and becomes dirty mind,what you imagine today as impossible,it's could be possible in future.

I honestly don't understand what it is about homosexuality you see as immoral. It is people's natural self-expression, it can be an expression of love between people (just as sex between any two people can) and most importantly it doesn't do anybody any harm.

There is substantial evidence that society is improved by legalisation and social acceptance of same-sex relationships.

This isn't true for other things like child abuse and bestiality.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

By this method of way of thinking and immorality behaves,I think very soon it's will legitimate ,sex with animal,in West,You will be considered as backward person.

Not likely. One of the most important aspects of our evolving understanding of sexual ethics is the concept of consent - especially informed consent. Animals cannot give consent (informed or otherwise) to sex so that makes it pretty immoral to attempt to have sex with an animal. Not to mention your attempt to draw a link between acceptance of LGBTs and acceptance of bestiality is pretty crude and baseless.