What is wrong with those people who don't believe in God?

[SkepticX]

Life cannot always have existed.

Nor could it have just come into existence from nothing according to our understanding.

This means we don't understand the origin of life or of the cosmos yet, not that therefore it was God, or therefore God did it. If we don't have an answer it means we don't have one, not that we're free to just make one up.

The natural according to the reality of human life on earth is that one is born, lives his span of life and dies. If you go back according to the concept of Causality, life starts and ends until the first who was born and died. That's when place is found for the Primal Cause.

So we don't have an answer to how life began but we somehow do know that the existence of everything is defined as happening over the lifespan of the first born being? I'd suggest you need to connect those dots, but before you do that you need to actually explain how you've come up with them, because this model of the lifespan of the cosmos certainly appears to be pure fabrication.

 

[psychoslice]

I am not using religion. I am using Physics and Logic. What do you know about them? If your lack of an answer to my question was fear that I was using religion, forget it! Answer me according to Physics and Logic.

There is no physics or logic in the man in the sky theory, so there is no argument at all.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Nor could it have just come into existence from nothing according to our understanding.

This means we don't understand the origin of life or of the cosmos yet, not that therefore it was God, or therefore God did it. If we don't have an answer it means we don't have one, not that we're free to just make one up.

So we don't have an answer to how life began but we somehow do know that the existence of everything is defined as happening over the lifespan of the first born being? I'd suggest you need to connect those dots, but before you do that you need to actually explain how you've come up with them, because this model of the lifespan of the cosmos certainly appears to be pure fabrication.

Only nothing comes from nothing. We have something and we are something. Since we could not have caused ourselves to exist, my question is what or who caused us to exist? Don't say "we", say "you". I understand the meaning of life. What I need of you is your opinion about the origin of life. Who caused life to exist if it could not have caused itself to exist? If you don't know, it does not mean that there was not one. We can come about a reason for the existence of the Universe if you are ready to apply Physics and Logic without preconceived notions.

 

[Ben Avraham]

There is no physics or logic in the man in the sky theory, so there is no argument at all.

So, there is no Physics or Logic... okay, I think I understand where you come from. Enjoy your stay.

 

[Ben Avraham]

I've had an empty fish bowl for years and it remains devoid of fish. I was hoping to see some fish, especially after 20 years.

Changing track: I have encountered beings from other dimensions when sober. A friend of mine communicates with those who have exited their physical vehicles. Its not something he wants to do and freaks his wife out. Strange world is it not !

Perhaps, you forgot that you had to buy a fish or two to have more in your bowl. Yes, that's a strange world.

 

[Balsamous]

Nothing is wrong with them. I myself am an agnostic-atheist. However i know from my family that religious people think that those who don't believe in a God are just like neilists. And that they have no purpose in life since they don't believe in a higher power. Not all religious people think this way, but i'm talking about them in general.

 

[paarsurrey]

Many of us understand the God of Ibrahim just fine.

We also find the idea very arbitrary and not worth bothering about. If anything, it is one of the rare conceptions of deities that can actually be demonstrated false.

I don't find any reasonable positive argument against G-d with attributes given in Quran.
Any body with any such reasonable argument against G-d of Quran, please go ahead to give it here with quotation from Quran.
Please
Regards

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't find any reasonable positive argument against G-d with attributes given in Quran.

Fair enough. You do, after all, believe in such a God.

Just don't expect others to share that belief all that often.

And understand that awareness of the God of the Qur'an is at least as likely to bring disbelief as it is to bring belief.

Personally, I find it almost miraculous that there are people who actually believe in the God of Ibrahim, let alone in the God of the Qur'an specifically. Those scriptures almost seem to have been written to encourage atheism.

I the appeal of belief in a higher power is indeed strong, even when the doctrines that the social environment presents are not all that convincing nor useful.

Any body with any such reasonable argument against G-d of Quran, please go ahead to give it here with quotation from Quran.
Please
Regards

You realize that we do not need to justify disbelief, don't you?

 

[paarsurrey]

Fair enough. You do, after all, believe in such a God.

Just don't expect others to share that belief all that often.

And understand that awareness of the God of the Qur'an is at least as likely to bring disbelief as it is to bring belief.

Personally, I find it almost miraculous that there are people who actually believe in the God of Ibrahim, let alone in the God of the Qur'an specifically. Those scriptures almost seem to have been written to encourage atheism.

I the appeal of belief in a higher power is indeed strong, even when the doctrines that the social environment presents are not all that convincing nor useful.



You realize that we do not need to justify disbelief, don't you?

Anybody who wants the believers to disbelieve in Him (G-d with attributes mentioned in Quran) ought to provide reasonable arguments against His non-existence.
Anybody,please
Regards

 

[LuisDantas]

Anybody who wants the believers to disbelieve in Him (G-d with attributes mentioned in Quran) ought to provide reasonable arguments against His non-existence.
Anybody,please
Regards

That might perhaps be a nice thing to happen, but I for one would settle for not having to deal with expectations that everyone somehow should be a believer.

 

[SkepticX]

Only nothing comes from nothing.

And nothing can have no beginning or no end. Exactly my point. We don't understand how the only scenarios we can come up with could be possible. As far as our understanding and experience neither could be. Honesty demands of us that we be ... well, honest about what we do and don't know rather than to pretend we can just make ****e up because we can't solve a given problem ... even if it's a very important problem to us personally. What's important to us doesn't in any way obligate the cosmos to accommodate. That's why this line of religious apologetics is so comically egocentric.

 

[psychoslice]

So, there is no Physics or Logic... okay, I think I understand where you come from. Enjoy your stay.

Can't you read, THE MAN IN THE SKY !!.

 

[paarsurrey]

That might perhaps be a nice thing to happen, but I for one would settle for not having to deal with expectations that everyone somehow should be a believer.

There is no compulsion to be a believer though disbelief has not positive and reasonable basis.
Regards

 

[LuisDantas]

There is no compulsion to be a believer though disbelief has not positive and reasonable basis.
Regards

There should be no compulsion, certainly. Among other reasons, because belief is such an insignificant matter that deserves no second thoughts from anyone.

But it is very clear that quite a few Christians and nearly all Muslims (and even many Bahais) fail to notice the self-evident implication of that verse, since they go out of their way to, very strangely, demand non-believers to believe, and even to believe in the "correct" way (typically, by insisting that there is a need to be monotheistic, or to accept a certain scripture as "true").

You are no exception, either. How many threads have you created for the express purpose of convincing non-Muslims to accept the supposed truth of the Qur'an?

I have come to really wonder if Muslims even attempt to understand what Al-Baqara 256 states, Apparently not, since they rarely use it except in attempts to justify their own insistence on compulsion.

Al-Baqara 256 - Wikipedia

Ironically, that verse does justify or at least harmonizes perfectly with my fairly recent realization that Islaam is not at all a religion. Islaam is all about compulsion, so by its own criteria it should not be considered a religion.

Not that I ever needed or wanted any scriptural support for anything, mind you, but it is a funny thing to notice all the same.

As for disbelief lacking a positive or reasonable basis... it is too bad that you are so blind.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Can't you read, THE MAN IN THE SKY !!.

Again, you are back into religion! I don't like to discuss religion together with Science.

 

[psychoslice]

Again, you are back into religion! I don't like to discuss religion together with Science.

Well if you were a true science, you would agree with me, but no, you are being sly, you are loaded with your religious beliefs, but waiting for the opportunity to bring it all forward, it ain't going to work with me.

 

[Ben Avraham]

And nothing can have no beginning or no end. Exactly my point. We don't understand how the only scenarios we can come up with could be possible. As far as our understanding and experience neither could be. Honesty demands of us that we be ... well, honest about what we do and don't know rather than to pretend we can just make ****e up because we can't solve a given problem ... even if it's a very important problem to us personally. What's important to us doesn't in any way obligate the cosmos to accommodate. That's why this line of religious apologetics is so comically egocentric.

The point is that nothing can cause only nothing to exist. Things exist though and, only something or Someone must have caused them to exist. What or Who caused the Universe to exist? Do you have any idea?

 

[paarsurrey]

There should be no compulsion, certainly. Among other reasons, because belief is such an insignificant matter that deserves no second thoughts from anyone.

But it is very clear that quite a few Christians and nearly all Muslims (and even many Bahais) fail to notice the self-evident implication of that verse, since they go out of their way to, very strangely, demand non-believers to believe, and even to believe in the "correct" way (typically, by insisting that there is a need to be monotheistic, or to accept a certain scripture as "true").

You are no exception, either. How many threads have you created for the express purpose of convincing non-Muslims to accept the supposed truth of the Qur'an?

I have come to really wonder if Muslims even attempt to understand what Al-Baqara 256 states, Apparently not, since they rarely use it except in attempts to justify their own insistence on compulsion.

Al-Baqara 256 - Wikipedia

Ironically, that verse does justify or at least harmonizes perfectly with my fairly recent realization that Islaam is not at all a religion. Islaam is all about compulsion, so by its own criteria it should not be considered a religion.

Not that I ever needed or wanted any scriptural support for anything, mind you, but it is a funny thing to notice all the same.

As for disbelief lacking a positive or reasonable basis... it is too bad that you are so blind.

How disbelief is significant please? Please
Anybody, please.
Regards

 

[LuisDantas]

How disbelief is significant please? Please
Anybody, please.
Regards

Disbelief isn't significant in itself. But it does free the way for significant things.

 

[ArtieE]

The point is that nothing can cause only nothing to exist. Things exist though and, only something or Someone must have caused them to exist. What or Who caused the Universe to exist? Do you have any idea?

The point is that nothing can cause only nothing to exist. What caused this "something or Someone" to exist? Do you have any idea?