What is wrong with those people who don't believe in God?

[sovietchild]

How? Explain.

I must admit I made a mistake. I didn't read that quote right.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Maybe you'll understand if I explain it differently. The universe IS nothing. Zero. There's no energy in the universe. Nothing was created. The universe is just nothing expressed as the universe.

Imagine you have zero. If you have zero you have nothing. Now imagine you have 10 minus 10. You still have zero. Nothing. Or you can say you have one +10 and one -10. That just depends on how you see it. In the universe the +10 is light, matter and anti-matter etc. -10 is gravitational attraction. We see the +10 and feel the -10 as gravity but when added up it's still zero.

"Throughout the universe, particles and antiparticles spontaneously form and quickly annihilate each other without violating the law of energy conservation. These spontaneous births and deaths of so-called 'virtual particle' pairs are known as 'quantum fluctuations.' Indeed, laboratory experiments have proven that quantum fluctuations occur everywhere, all the time."
What's the Total Energy In the Universe?

Something from Nothing? A Vacuum Can Yield Flashes of Light

As you say above, the universe is nothing. It means I am discussing this subject with nothing. So, we are wasting our time with nothing. In other words, there is nothing to learn from nothing. Then you end your post by saying that a vacuum can yield flashes of light from nothing. Light is an accident of matter which renders you totally wrong but, since you are nothing, nothing happened. I just had a dream.

 

[Ben Avraham]

How would you know that? You did not make the attempt.

Okay, I'll try now. Perhaps there is something in there after all. Did the Universe cause itself to exist or it was caused by something or Someone that preceded it? If you get annoyed with "Someone" you are free to try "something." Nu!

 

[Ben Avraham]

Why can't you just answer the question? If we trace our parentage back through time why would it be logical to assume that all of a sudden we are no longer children of our parents but our DNA was handmade by a god?

You don't believe in a god! How can you venture into this nonsense?

 

[wicketkeeper]

What is wrong with those people who don't believe in God?

Lets turn it around and say 'What is wrong with those people who believe in G_d'.

Live from the Heart is my 'religion'. No churches, rituals, dogma or religious books required.

 

[sovietchild]

Which one?

The One and only The Creator.

 

[wicketkeeper]

But......where is the evidence ? There are plenty of books both 'holy' and non-holy which speak about God and the relevant prophet/messiah - but in my mind they are all debatable. I am not an atheist - I simply have no clue as to how Life began, and I am widely read. Obviously something existed before Man was introduced to this planet, but what ? No one knows. Its an interesting subject, and always attracts plenty of activity. Religious people put forth the party line on these things, and the atheists push forth their thoughts on this. And then their are folk like me who don't belong to any religion. I do have a close affinity with the religions I name but am not a hard liner on such things as this. I have an open mind, although it would take something special to make me change my mind. I am considering writing a play on both the afterlife and what happens before we enter the vessel we have chosen to get us around !

 

[Jumi]

The One and only The Creator.

Why didn't you just say that the God of your religion and not other religions?

 

[sovietchild]

Why didn't you just say that the God of your religion and not other religions?

Did you not know that Islam only recognizes one God?

 

[Ben Avraham]

But......where is the evidence ? There are plenty of books both 'holy' and non-holy which speak about God and the relevant prophet/messiah - but in my mind they are all debatable. I am not an atheist - I simply have no clue as to how Life began, and I am widely read. Obviously something existed before Man was introduced to this planet, but what ? No one knows. Its an interesting subject, and always attracts plenty of activity. Religious people put forth the party line on these things, and the atheists push forth their thoughts on this. And then their are folk like me who don't belong to any religion. I do have a close affinity with the religions I name but am not a hard liner on such things as this. I have an open mind, although it would take something special to make me change my mind. I am considering writing a play on both the afterlife and what happens before we enter the vessel we have chosen to get us around !

So, it will take something special to make you change your mind! If you don't have the slightest clue as to how life began, tell me something; did you cause yourself to exist or were you caused to exist by some one that preceded you? You could not have caused yourself to exist because to do so, you had to exist. If you already existed, there would be no need to further cause yourself to exist. So, you were caused to exist by your parents, they by their parents and their parents... You must know by now where I am trying to take you to. The very beginning when the first parents were caused by the Primal Cause. If you don't have any question, that's great because, at least, now you have a clue as to how life began in this planet.

 

[wicketkeeper]

So, it will take something special to make you change your mind! If you don't have the slightest clue as to how life began, tell me something; did you cause yourself to exist or were you caused to exist by some one that preceded you? You could not have caused yourself to exist because to do so, you had to exist. If you already existed, there would be no need to further cause yourself to exist. So, you were caused to exist by your parents, they by their parents and their parents... You must know by now where I am trying to take you to. The very beginning when the first parents were caused by the Primal Cause. If you don't have any question, that's great because, at least, now you have a clue as to how life began in this planet.

The Big Bang Theory is just that - a theory. No one knows how Life came be. Most of the religions are clueless, and the education system merely conditions the masses so there are people to do the menial tasks. People who watch TV get more indoctrination. The majority of the world's population have been hoodwinked. If it comes from a government source or official expert then research what you've told. In other words trust no one. But the shadow government has 90% control on us, and they trick us so easily, an example are the i phones where people camp for days to buy a glorified tracking device ! Yes they have their uses, but a basic mobile would do in case of emergency. In closing I will leave just four lines of The Tao:-

The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.

The Big Theory - its just that, a theory. The education system favors the Establishment, they still need a few folk to do the menial jobs. If we were educated and indoctrianted

 

[Ben Avraham]

The Big Bang Theory is just that - a theory. No one knows how Life came be. Most of the religions are clueless, and the education system merely conditions the masses so there are people to do the menial tasks. People who watch TV get more indoctrination. The majority of the world's population have been hoodwinked. If it comes from a government source or official expert then research what you've told. In other words trust no one. But the shadow government has 90% control on us, and they trick us so easily, an example are the i phones where people camp for days to buy a glorified tracking device ! Yes they have their uses, but a basic mobile would do in case of emergency. In closing I will leave just four lines of The Tao:-

The tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao The name that can be named is not the eternal Name. The Big Theory - its just that, a theory. The education system favors the Establishment, they still need a few folk to do the menial jobs. If we were educated and indoctrianted

Well, since you have given me no answer to my question about the origin of man on earth, perhaps you are not interested to know how life came to be in this planet. Keep reading and, one day you might change your mind.

 

[psychoslice]

I say what is wrong with tortoise people who believe in god ????.

 

[ArtieE]

So, it will take something special to make you change your mind! If you don't have the slightest clue as to how life began, tell me something; did you cause yourself to exist or were you caused to exist by some one that preceded you? You could not have caused yourself to exist because to do so, you had to exist. If you already existed, there would be no need to further cause yourself to exist. So, you were caused to exist by your parents, they by their parents and their parents...

And at no point is there any reason to stop believing that we come from our parents and start believing that our DNA was designed and created by a god.

 

[Ben Avraham]

And at no point is there any reason to stop believing that we come from our parents and start believing that our DNA was designed and created by a god.

Oh! That's the point I wanted you to pick up! It happens though that, the concept of Causality is not endless forever into the past. There must have been a point in time when the first parents were caused to exist and, in order to stop with the cycle, Something or Someone must have caused the first to exist. I have decided to call It the Primal Cause aka the First to Cause. And don't waste your time thinking to ask me, "And who caused Him to exist" because if the Primal Cause was caused, He could not have been the Primal Cause.

 

[ArtieE]

Oh! That's the point I wanted you to pick up! It happens though that, the concept of Causality is not endless forever into the past.

No it isn't endless, it starts with the Big Bang. If you had a time machine you could theoretically follow your ancestors history all the way back to the Big Bang and there it stops since when you get near the singularity time itself stops.

 

[Ben Avraham]

No it isn't endless, it starts with the Big Bang. If you had a time machine you could theoretically follow your ancestors history all the way back to the Big Bang and there it stops since when you get near the singularity time itself stops.

I don't have to go back there. You are here to answer my questions. So, all started with the big bang! What did bang so big that caused the universe to exist? If you have an answer to that, please, add the info about who or what caused the big bang to explode?

 

[Ben Avraham]

And at no point is there any reason to stop believing that we come from our parents and start believing that our DNA was designed and created by a god.

No, if you have the ability to show me who or what caused the DNA to be designed in our body. Can you?

 

[Ben Avraham]

I say what is wrong with tortoise people who believe in god ????.

It is okay if you don't believe in God aka the Primal Cause if you can demonstrate to me what or who caused the universe to exist, can you?

 

[ArtieE]

I don't have to go back there. You are here to answer my questions. So, all started with the big bang! What did bang so big that caused the universe to exist? If you have an answer to that, please, add the info about who or what caused the big bang to explode?

Nothing caused the big bang to explode. There was no time before the big bang where the big bang hadn't exploded yet. Time starts with the big bang.