What is wrong with those people who don't believe in God?

[ArtieE]

Okay! So, tell me. Who caused you to exist? Your parents did it. And your parents? Their parents. And their parents? If you by now have caught the idea of where I am heading to, It is to the Primal Cause. The One Who caused the first parents to exist. It is called the concept of Causality. Have I showed you the evidence you can buy?

Who "caused" me to exist? My parents. Who "caused" them to exist? Their parents. Who "caused" them to exist? Their parents. It is when you all of a sudden for no reason says "Who caused their parents to exist? A god." that you are losing me.

 

[ak.yonathan]

Okay! So, tell me. Who caused you to exist? Your parents did it. And your parents? Their parents. And their parents? If you by now have caught the idea of where I am heading to, It is to the Primal Cause. The One Who caused the first parents to exist. It is called the concept of Causality. Have I showed you the evidence you can buy?

Reasoning can be fallacious, what I'm talking about is evidence that does not rely on reasoning. Besides, it could be that there is in fact no such thing as causality and what we perceive to be it might just be a coincidence that cause always precedes the effect.

 

[psychoslice]

What is wrong with people who believe in god ?.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Not as I wish, but rather as it is. It is not for me to choose to make your model accurate.

"To cause" is indeed a somewhat odd choice of verb here, but what I am refusing to presume is instead that your proposal of an ultimate first causer is known as fact.

Yeah, you just might.

Okay, you suppose I just might be wrong to say that you could not have caused yourself to exist. So, let me try to fix that I could be wrong to say that you could not have caused yourself to exist. To have caused yourself to exist, you had to exist to do so. However, if you existed, you would have no need to still cause yourself to exist as you already existed. Agree with me now? It means that someone that preceded you, caused yourself to exist which, of course were your parents. And, if you go all the way back according to the concept of Causality aka the law of cause and effect, we might reach for the Primal Cause, the One Cause without a cause of Himself, or He would not be the Primal Cause.

 

[Ben Avraham]

What is wrong with people who believe in god ?.

If it is wrong not to know what or Who caused the Universe to exist, there is nothing wrong with believing in God aka the Primal Cause Who caused the Universe to exist.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Reasoning can be fallacious, what I'm talking about is evidence that does not rely on reasoning. Besides, it could be that there is in fact no such thing as causality and what we perceive to be it might just be a coincidence that cause always precedes the effect.

Oh! So, you suppose to have been born by coincidence! If the point is that your parents did not plan for you, won't solve the problem of Causality. They caused you to exist, and if you go back all they way of cause and effect, whether you want or not, there was a time when the first parents were caused to exist by the One Who exists without a cause; otherwise He would not be the Primal Cause.

We are not concepts; we are reality. If we have to apply a concept aka Causality to solve a problem in reality, let it be. The point is that we must find an answer to thing in reality.

 

[ArtieE]

And, if you go all the way back according to the concept of Causality aka the law of cause and effect, we might reach for the Primal Cause, the One Cause without a cause of Himself, or He would not be the Primal Cause.

Just imagine that you took all the atoms and molecules in your body and started tracing them back through time to their origins. You'll inevitably end up at the Big Bang. And since the Big Bang itself originated time and space that's where it stops.

 

[LuisDantas]

Okay, you suppose I just might be wrong to say that you could not have caused yourself to exist.

Who knows? I think you are correct in that particular, for what it is worth.

It is the presumption of a First Cause that I find dubious at best.

 

[psychoslice]

If it is wrong not to know what or Who caused the Universe to exist, there is nothing wrong with believing in God aka the Primal Cause Who caused the Universe to exist.

Of course there is nothing wrong in believing anything, as long as we don't hurt others, or push it on others, which sadly most belief systems do.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Of course there is nothing wrong in believing anything, as long as we don't hurt others, or push it on others, which sadly most belief systems do.

You are right Psychoslice, that's the reason why so many Jews have been persecuted to death through pogroms, blood libels, Crusades and the Inquisition.

 

[sovietchild]

Look at the 13:31 it shows how much this video is corrupted.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Of course there is nothing wrong in believing anything, as long as we don't hurt others, or push it on others, which sadly most belief systems do.

Well, I hope you are not including Judaism among the believers you claim push their beliefs upon others. We are forbidden even by our own Rabbis to exercise proselytism. I come in when I realize that Christians are trying to convert more Jews than what we have lost already.

 

[ArtieE]

Look at the 13:31 it shows how much this video is corrupted.

How? Explain.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Who knows? I think you are correct in that particular, for what it is worth. It is the presumption of a First Cause that I find dubious at best.

Okay, since logically you could not have caused yourself to exist, who did it? I am sure we are discussing this matter and I am also sure you did not jump out of the hat of the magician. Now, be serious and let's stop joking. Of course you know, I am not personally concerned that you exist or not but, for the sake of the discussion, who caused yourself to exist? I also know, your parents did it, but I need you to say so that we can continue discussing this issue.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Just imagine that you took all the atoms and molecules in your body and started tracing them back through time to their origins. You'll inevitably end up at the Big Bang. And since the Big Bang itself originated time and space that's where it stops.

Do you know something? I am ready to agree with you but you must tell me who or what caused the big bang to explode?

 

[chinu]

What is wrong with those people who don't believe in God?

The only wrong with them is that unnecessarily they are forcing the omnipresent "God" to come out by saying.. that they don't believe in him.

poor child, hahahahaha....

 

[ArtieE]

Do you know something? I am ready to agree with you but you must tell me who or what caused the big bang to explode?

Did you see the video? Here is a better explanation.

 

[chinu]

Did you see the video? Nothing caused the big bang to explode. The universe has always been expanding since it's inherently unstable. When you go back in time time stops at the singularity. The universe has always been expanding. There never was a time before the universe started expanding where something could have caused it to expand.

A,ya.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Did you see the video? Here is a better explanation.

The big bang could not have happened from nothing. This is cheap talk of atheists who know nothing of what they are talking about. Something cannot come or happen from nothing, only through the hat of the magician.

 

[LuisDantas]

Okay, since logically you could not have caused yourself to exist, who did it?

Why are you taking as a premise that there was a cause, and even a causer?

I am sure we are discussing this matter and I am also sure you did not jump out of the hat of the magician. Now, be serious and let's stop joking.

Indeed, let's.