What is wrong with those people who don't believe in God?

[Kirran]

Anarchism is a rejection of authority in all of its forms.

God is The Absolute Ruler - The Governor.

What do you make of Christian anarchism and Islamic anarchism then?

As for atheists and immorality - I spent my first 18 years or so of life as an atheist before changing, and my parents remain atheist. I will certainly not agree that they are immoral as a result.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Aye, I'd forgotten that one.
- I disbelieve in God because I want to get away with sinning.

Only that sounds a paradox to me.

 

[Ben Avraham]

My pleasure.

Belief in deities is a deeply personal and entirely optional thing, and it connects with each person's specific inclinations in the fields of symbolism and motivation.

Despite often-repeated insistence to the contrary, there is good reason to doubt that there is much resemblance in the deity conceptions of any two given people, nor in their beliefs about those deities if they happen to have any.

In a nutshell, belief in the literal existence of a deity is a minor, optional accessory of religious practice that many people mistake (often passionately) for a central feature.

We all are that much poorer for it, because over-emphasis on deities is quite corruptive. It leads people to feel unduly entitled to all forms of abuses and destructive judgements.

By the first statement above, I can see the target to shoot right on as I consider it as a vote for the right to free speech, as well as the aptitude to see things in the field of symbolism which rather enhances motivation. True though that over-emphasis on deities can be quite corruptive. Thanks!

 

[Revoltingest]

Only that sounds a paradox to me.

Yeah....It's not something my accusers have thoroughly thought through.

Dang....that's a lot of "ough"s.

 

[LuisDantas]

Anarchism is a rejection of authority in all of its forms.

God is The Absolute Ruler - The Governor.

You have a very specific, even specialized expectation of people, pal.

It is simply not all that common for people to somehow believe that we are all created and ruled by deities. Let alone by a single, all-powerful deity. Let alone one that fits the expectations of the Qur'an.

Actually, it is literally impossible for the deity of the Qur'an to exist, since it is one that we are supposed to instinctively believe in...

 

[LuisDantas]

By the first statement above, I can see the target to shoot right on as I consider it as a vote for the right to free speech, as well as the aptitude to see things in the field of symbolism which rather enhances motivation.

Excuse me... but what are you talking about exactly? Why do you even need a target?

True though that over-emphasis on deities can be quite corruptive. Thanks!

The question becomes then how much emphasis is too much. I have never met a doctrine that suffered from too little deity, nor do I expect ever to.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Fawn Brodie probably isn't your best source of information. Regardless, Emma's feelings about her husband taking another wife are certainly understandable, but have nothing to do with your statement that his additional wives "had little to say in the matter."

Incidentally, "Rough Stone Rolling" by Richard L. Bushman is widely regarded by scholars to be the most accurate source available on Joseph Smith's life, should you have any interest in the topic. And now, back to the actual subject of this thread.

Meantime, there is presently a case before the courts involving FLDS from Canada's Bountiful British Columbia trafficking under-age girls for marriage in the US. Underage means incapable (at least legally) of giving "informed consent."

Further, think we ought to acknowledge that religious and social pressure (both of which imply "consequences," some divine) also play into the matter of "consent."

 

[Katzpur]

Meantime, there is presently a case before the courts involving FLDS from Canada's Bountiful British Columbia trafficking under-age girls for marriage in the US. Underage means incapable (at least legally) of giving "informed consent."

I am 100% opposed to pedophilia disguised as marriage, which is precisely what this is.

Further, think we ought to acknowledge that religious and social pressure (both of which imply "consequences," some divine) also play into the matter of "consent."

Feel free to provide evidence that Joseph Smith exerted such pressure on any of the women he married. I know you probably think that it goes without saying that all of his marriages were consummated, but that is highly unlikely, as this was a union entered into with the thought of the next life, not this one. Yes, that would involve "consequences," something pretty much every decision we make in life comes with.

 

[viole]

What's wrong with atheists?

1. One cannot prove existence or nonexistence by a priori arguments, unless one is denying the existence of something that is logically impossible, like a three-sided square. The concept of a god is not logically impossible, hence atheists are illogical.

Non sequitur. Even the statement "Mickey Mouse created the Universe" is not logically impossible. Many things are logically possible. For instance, it is entirely possible that planets have a core of swiss cheese and are carried around by invisible angels.

But that does not entail that disbelievers in Mickey Mouse having created the Universe, amongs all possible things, are illogical. It is actually irrational to deduce that.

2. Surveys say that about half the population have had a religious experience. To deny the validity of their experiences is like my denying the existence of green because I can't see it. To deny it by questioning the honesty or sanity of those who have had such experiences is to ignore the psychological testing that has been done on such people, not to mention being very arrogant.

My Hindu friend claimed many religious experiences involving Ganesh, the elephant god. His family, too. Do you think they really experienced Ganesh?

3. About 85-90% of the world's population practice a religion. The atheist, or at least the atheist who feels compelled to proclaim their atheism in places like this, is again displaying arrogance: they are claiming that they have the one true word and the majority are deluded. Of course, Christians and Muslims do the same, but they have the excuse that they think the answer was revealed to them.

Well, then you are arrogant too. And so is every religious person. No matter what religion you have, the vast majority of people who live, or lived, hold, or held, another religion.

By the way, why do you think that Christians and Muslims have an excuse? Don't you believe that the answer was indeed revealed to them? That is a bit arrogant, isn't it?

This is basically why I'm hostile to atheists: their combination of irrationality and arrogance. The Christian and the Muslim may be factually wrong in my opinion, but the atheist's attitudes betray a moral deficiency in addition.

Since your inference of irrationality is not rational, as we have seen, and you are bound to be as arrogant as us, as we have also seen, then you should be hostile to yourself, as well.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Ben Avraham]

Excuse me... but what are you talking about exactly? Why do you even need a target?

The question becomes then how much emphasis is too much. I have never met a doctrine that suffered from too little deity, nor do I expect ever to.

Every one needs a purpose in life for every thing one stands to perform. To act without a meaning for what we do, it becomes a meaningless life.

 

[LuisDantas]

Every one needs a purpose in life for every thing one stands to perform. To act without a meaning for what we do, it becomes a meaningless life.

True enough, but how does that answer my question?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Feel free to provide evidence that Joseph Smith exerted such pressure on any of the women he married.

Did they have kids?

 

[Ben Avraham]

True enough, but how does that answer my question?

Perhaps because your question is among the unanswerable questions.

 

[Katzpur]

Did they have kids?

Only Joseph's first wife, Emma, had children. She had eight or nine (I forget the exact number). And this was, remember, the 1800s. Birth control was hardly what it is today.

 

[sovietchild]

Only Joseph's first wife, Emma, had children. She had eight or nine (I forget the exact number). And this was, remember, the 1800s. Birth control was hardly what it is today.

Yes I wonder why did people had more kids then they have today. In Russia In 1800s to have 8 to 15 kids was popular. Now days its like 3 or 2.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I am one of those who does not believe in God, and I can certainly tell you what's wrong with me. I have started a list for your perusal:

1. My right thigh is bigger around than my left.
2. My mouth inherently dips a bit to the left. I can't actually tell this myself when looking in a mirror, but when I see photos of myself it is hard to miss.
3. My hair is thinning more than I would like as I age.
4. My family and I recently moved, and I have developed a cough without having been sick - I think it is environmental
5. I have recently become more slothful in my exercising habits. Where I used to do a solid workout every single day, the move has somehow affected my motivation, and I have only been doing a little here and there.
6. In random "off-times" I have recently found myself playing the game "Plants vs. Zombies 2" on my Android phone, even when I know my time would be better spent on more constructive activities.

There's certainly more, but most of it would be a tedious read.

 

[Ouroboros]

What is wrong with those people who don't believe in God?

Nothing at all.

What's wrong with people who believe in one god but not the other gods?

 

[sovietchild]

Nothing at all.

What's wrong with people who believe in one god but not the other gods?

Well if there were many gods then don't you think they would of had some kind of a competition?

None has the right to be worship except Allah.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Well if there were many gods then don't you think they would of had some kind of a competition?

None has the right to be worship except Allah.

Who are you to convey rights on Allah?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Yes I wonder why did people had more kids then they have today. In Russia In 1800s to have 8 to 15 kids was popular. Now days its like 3 or 2.

Because kids tended to clock out before the first year. It's like why frogs have hundreds of eggs. Not all survive. Have a bunch of kids and maybe, if you're lucky, one or two will make it to adulthood. Nowadays, of course, healthcare is better and more kids survive, so it's time to scale back on the reproduction.

Well if there were many gods then don't you think they would of had some kind of a competition?

You haven't read much mythology outside of your own, have you? Does the Quran include the biblical story of Yahweh fighting supernatural monsters of the sea/chaos and such? I mean, the funny part is, when you read Canaanite mythology, you find out Yahweh WAS the god of the sea/chaos and it was BAAL who fought and killed it (not that it mattered, because to gods, death is a revolving door), so right here we have a competition between two gods and who won depends on who told the story ....