What is wrong with those people who don't believe in God?

[Ouroboros]

Well if there were many gods then don't you think they would of had some kind of a competition?

None has the right to be worship except Allah.

Then Allah should tell me that, not you.

 

[Ben Avraham]

What is wrong with those people who don't believe in God!

Nothing wrong with them. They are simply making use of their Freewill to disbelieve in God. Illogical though, but still within their rights to refuse to believe in Logic too.

 

[sovietchild]

Who are you to convey rights on Allah?

A follower?

First Commandment could refer to: The first of the Ten Commandments, which is "Thou shalt have no other gods before me"

 

[sovietchild]

Because kids tended to clock out before the first year. It's like why frogs have hundreds of eggs. Not all survive. Have a bunch of kids and maybe, if you're lucky, one or two will make it to adulthood. Nowadays, of course, healthcare is better and more kids survive, so it's time to scale back on the reproduction.
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My grandmother had like 10 sisters and 1 or 2 brothers. And that's how it used to be back in the day. Now days though its different. Maybe it has something to do with a big city vs a village? Why do they make more babies in the village?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

A follower?

First Commandment could refer to: The first of the Ten Commandments, which is "Thou shalt have no other gods before me"

The follower conveys rights on the leader? There is an element of truth to that in human relationships. But to be able to convey rights, one must be able to remove them. Like subjects who could revolt against their king.

Just struck me as a strange turn of phrase for a Muslim, is all.

As for the commandments...I'm not sure what you were referring to, but the Quranic 'commandment' is not worded as you put it (I believe). So colour me confused.

 

[Milton Platt]

What is wrong with a God that doesn't make itself readily apparent to everyone?

It would make the god irrelevant.

 

[ak.yonathan]

Nothing, nothing at all.
We've looked at the evidence (or lack of it) and come to the conclusion that god(s) were invented by men who wish to control other men and women.

And just what is the evidence that God was invented by men to control?

 

[Ben Avraham]

What is Wrong with those People who don't Believe in God?

Well, I am not too sure; probably they are atheists. That's what is wrong with them.

 

[Altfish]

And just what is the evidence that God was invented by men to control?

Are you saying that (say) The Pope, Bishops, David Miscavige and the like are not controlling based on their position in their religious organisation.
We have watched Scientology and Mormonism develop in the modern age. Both were obviously created by men.

 

[ak.yonathan]

Are you saying that (say) The Pope, Bishops, David Miscavige and the like are not controlling based on their position in their religious organisation.
We have watched Scientology and Mormonism develop in the modern age. Both were obviously created by men.

I think that you're confusing religion with people who claim to be religious. Do you have any proof that the Abrahamic religions were created by men?

 

[Altfish]

I think that you're confusing religion with people who claim to be religious. Do you have any proof that the Abrahamic religions were created by men?

I don't think I am.
It was 2000+ years ago, so proof is difficult to come by; but there is as much evidence that man wrote the bible as god did. In fact the name of the gospels give us a clue as to who may have written some of the books.

 

[Ben Avraham]

I think that you're confusing religion with people who claim to be religious. Do you have any proof that the Abrahamic religions were created by men?

All religions in the world have been created by men. First, HaShem caused man to exist if you read Genesis 2:7 and, afterwards, The Lord said, "Now, you grow and multiply. That's when religions became with time the creation of men.

 

[ak.yonathan]

All religions in the world have been created by men. First, HaShem caused man to exist if you read Genesis 2:7 and, afterwards, The Lord said, "Now, you grow and multiply. That's when religions became with time the creation of men.

You are free to believe whatever you want to, but without evidence I'm not buying it.

 

[Ben Avraham]

You are free to believe whatever you want to, but without evidence I'm not buying it.

Okay! So, tell me. Who caused you to exist? Your parents did it. And your parents? Their parents. And their parents? If you by now have caught the idea of where I am heading to, It is to the Primal Cause. The One Who caused the first parents to exist. It is called the concept of Causality. Have I showed you the evidence you can buy?

 

[LuisDantas]

And just what is the evidence that God was invented by men to control?

Even a cursory examination of the anthropological facts will at least hint in that direction.

 

[LuisDantas]

Okay! So, tell me. Who caused you to exist? Your parents did it. And your parents? Their parents. And their parents? If you by now have caught the idea of where I am heading to, It is to the Primal Cause. The One Who caused the first parents to exist. It is called the concept of Causality. Have I showed you the evidence you can buy?

To me at least it does not look like evidence for anything, but rather a conceptual model.

You have described the idea. You have not evidenced that it corresponds to reality.

 

[Ben Avraham]

To me at least it does not look like evidence for anything, but rather a conceptual model.

You have described the idea. You have not evidenced that it corresponds to reality.

Okay, be as you wish! You are simply telling me that you were not caused by your parents into existence if this is no evidence of Causality. It is okay with me; no hurt feelings! You don't have to but, would you like to share with me who caused yourself to exist if not your parents? What I am sure of is that you could not have caused yourself to exist. But hey! I might be wrong.

 

[LuisDantas]

Okay, be as you wish!

Not as I wish, but rather as it is. It is not for me to choose to make your model accurate.

You are simply telling me that you were not caused by your parents into existence

"To cause" is indeed a somewhat odd choice of verb here, but what I am refusing to presume is instead that your proposal of an ultimate first causer is known as fact.

if this is no evidence of Causality. It is okay with me; no hurt feelings! You don't have to but, would you like to share with me who caused yourself to exist if not your parents? What I am sure of is that you could not have caused yourself to exist. But hey! I might be wrong.

Yeah, you just might.

 

[ArtieE]

What's wrong with atheists?

1. One cannot prove existence or nonexistence by a priori arguments, unless one is denying the existence of something that is logically impossible, like a three-sided square. The concept of a god is not logically impossible, hence atheists are illogical.

Not believing in gods has nothing to do with logic. Besides, your reasoning would apply to theists too like for example Christians who don't believe in the existence of any gods except one so why single out atheists?

2. Surveys say that about half the population have had a religious experience. To deny the validity of their experiences is like my denying the existence of green because I can't see it. To deny it by questioning the honesty or sanity of those who have had such experiences is to ignore the psychological testing that has been done on such people, not to mention being very arrogant.

And of course when thousands of people tell us that they have been abducted by aliens we should simply accept their word for it and start believing that aliens are abducting people.

3. About 85-90% of the world's population practice a religion.

Atheists also practice religions.

The atheist, or at least the atheist who feels compelled to proclaim their atheism in places like this, is again displaying arrogance: they are claiming that they have the one true word and the majority are deluded. Of course, Christians and Muslims do the same, but they have the excuse that they think the answer was revealed to them.

This is basically why I'm hostile to atheists: their combination of irrationality and arrogance. The Christian and the Muslim may be factually wrong in my opinion, but the atheist's attitudes betray a moral deficiency in addition.

And no Christian or Muslim is morally deficient?

 

[ArtieE]

I think that you're confusing religion with people who claim to be religious. Do you have any proof that the Abrahamic religions were created by men?