This is an interesting subject. Suppose you tested your DNA through genetic fingerprinting and then had your parents tested. We can determine with an accuracy of 99.99% that you are parents and child. Suppose you did the same with your parents and grandparents and all the way back. At which point would you not find a biological parent but that a god had put together the DNA personally?
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What is wrong with those people who don't believe in God?
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Ben Avraham
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You are simply not serious at all!
It was a simple logical rational question...
Ben Avraham
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Because I am talking reality and you are not serious at all. Your parents existed. Otherwise, you would not exist. The embarrassment of this subject is that you seem to be afraid to go deeper into this subject. What I understand is that you do know what I mean but you are afraid to get into more serious discussion. That's okay. Atheists are usually thus: Afraid of the Unknown.
Now that is a weird thing to say given that Dr Werner Heisenberg who gave us quantum mechanics and the uncertainty principle and the notion that something comes from nothing was a Lutheran... he got the Nobel prize...
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And at which point back in time would you find that there were no biological parents but that the DNA was personally made by a god?
That is the exact opposite of the truth, you know.
gnostic
The Lost One
I am an agnostic.
If there were real evidences that god or god's exist, then yes, I would believe, because I would know then.
BUT, believing in or knowing any deity, don't mean I would worship a deity.
If a deity threaten me with eternal hell, if I don't worship him or her or them, then that deity is not worthy of being worshipped. I find a god that need to threaten people into worshipping him, is an evil god.
If a god commands me to kill someone, like sacrificing a child or young virgin, I would view him to be an evil god, and wouldn't worship him.
If a god to persecute, torture and kill people for him, because other people worship other gods or are atheists, then I wouldn't worship him.
If I had a child who was born with disability or with terminal disease, and this god was responsible, I would not worship him.
If God revealed himself tomorrow call the police and military and anybody in power you can think of. According to his autobiography he's guilty of genocide and infanticide and incitement to every war crime you can think of. The Nuremberg trials would be peanuts.
Ben Avraham
Well-Known Member
Well! So, can I count with your being serious for a change? So, answer my question about human causality. It may sound childish but there is a catch at the end.
Ben Avraham
Well-Known Member
See what I mean? You are not serious at all.
Ben Avraham
Well-Known Member
Okay! So, try me! Give me an example of something that came out of nothing. Don't send me to read what you have read. Just tell me what you have learned and we will discuss it.
I have no duty to listen to you unjustified insults, you know. Give yourself some credibility and respect.
What is wrong is That what they think determines nature starting with the definition nature. The shoe fits perfectly for believers as well.
Ben Avraham
Well-Known Member
Okay, I'll leave you alone because I have just found out that you don't have what it takes to discuss Science with a Jew.
Ben Avraham
Well-Known Member
Why can't you just answer the question? If we trace our parentage back through time why would it be logical to assume that all of a sudden we are no longer children of our parents but our DNA was handmade by a god?
How would you know that? You did not make the attempt.
Maybe you'll understand if I explain it differently. The universe IS nothing. Zero. There's no energy in the universe. Nothing was created. The universe is just nothing expressed as the universe.
Imagine you have zero. If you have zero you have nothing. Now imagine you have 10 minus 10. You still have zero. Nothing. Or you can say you have one +10 and one -10. That just depends on how you see it. In the universe the +10 is light, matter and anti-matter etc. -10 is gravitational attraction. We see the +10 and feel the -10 as gravity but when added up it's still zero.
"Throughout the universe, particles and antiparticles spontaneously form and quickly annihilate each other without violating the law of energy conservation. These spontaneous births and deaths of so-called 'virtual particle' pairs are known as 'quantum fluctuations.' Indeed, laboratory experiments have proven that quantum fluctuations occur everywhere, all the time."
What's the Total Energy In the Universe?
Something from Nothing? A Vacuum Can Yield Flashes of Light
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes of course that's true, as also with Buddhism, and a few others.