What is wrong with those people who think that a human can be God?

[Kirran]

Because I don't receive it as joke as you think,I think no one single Muslim in world will consider it as joke.

If you slap your friend to joke with ,you don't mean to hurt him, he get hurt, so how he should explain to you he got hurted ,it's was not funny ?

We can chalk this up to cultural differences dude.

 

[Godobeyer]

Naqshbandi, the largest Sufi sect I think.

I understand the point, but I don't think it's correct. Sufi (and Shi'ite) groups who believe in the Oneness of Essence are not a tiny sect, there are at least tens of millions of such people I'd say. If we just look at the size of the Naqshbandis, Chishtis and Bektashis that's a lot of people already right there.

Shia too !
I don't think so.
That's why you may should post a thread about in Sufi or Shia DIRs to verify.

 

[Godobeyer]

We can chalk this up to cultural differences dude.

I think it's about personal perspective too. because many Western members here consider it as insult and disrespect.

 

[Kirran]

Shia too !
I don't think so.
That's why you may should post a thread about in Sufi or Shia DIRs to verify.

Not all Shias, no.

I don't consider the tiny numbers of Sufis and Shias on RF to be a sufficiently large sample to verify.

Anyway, I already have seen plenty of evidence that these ideas are widespread, so I don't need to verify it.

I think it's about personal perspective too. because many Western members here consider it as insult and disrespect.

A mixture I guess. But I'm not just a Westerner, I'm specifically British raised, and that informs my style of speaking. Many Westerners from other countries might well not get it in the same way as yourself. UK's got some strange quirks

 

[Godobeyer]

Not all Shias, no.

I don't consider the tiny numbers of Sufis and Shias on RF to be a sufficiently large sample to verify.

Anyway, I already have seen plenty of evidence that these ideas are widespread, so I don't need to verify it.

Not all Sufi too.

Do you know that you just try to exagerate them ?

Fact they don't represent the majority of Muslims belief.

A mixture I guess. But I'm not just a Westerner, I'm specifically British raised, and that informs my style of speaking. Many Westerners from other countries might well not get it in the same way as yourself. UK's got some strange quirks

I don't think that all British claim to be funny,by disrespect others beliefs!

It's about about personal atitudes and behaves.

 

[Kirran]

Not all Sufi too.

Do you know that you just try to exagerate them ?

Fact they don't represent the majority of Muslims belief.

Not all Sufis, no. Most, I think.

Do I know that? No, I don't, because I'm not trying to do that. Stop stating I'm doing things I'm not, when I know what I am doing better by definition.

Correct, they're not the majority of Muslims. I have never said so.

I don't think that all British claim to be funny,by disrespect others beliefs!

It's about about personal atitudes and behaves.

I didn't claim to be funny! It'd be a little self-defeating, if nothing else.

Irreverence is what I refer to. You don't seem to have the concept of a separation between irreverence and disrespect. There is no disrespect intended, it doesn't work like that.

During much casual British conversation, there is essentially a near-constant mild mutual mocking going on, often via little bits of sarcasm. This is normal in British socialising, and isn't disrespectful.

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't think that all British claim to be funny,by disrespect others beliefs!

It's about about personal atitudes and behaves.

British humor has a well-deserved reputation of liking self-deprecation.

One of my favorite examples is here, roughly from the 50 seconds mark up to 1 minute and 20 seconds.

 

[Godobeyer]

Not all Sufis, no. Most, I think.

Do I know that? No, I don't, because I'm not trying to do that. Stop stating I'm doing things I'm not, when I know what I am doing better by definition.

Correct, they're not the majority of Muslims. I have never said so.

I do believe they are not even majority in Sufi sect.

I didn't claim to be funny! It'd be a little self-defeating, if nothing else.

Irreverence is what I refer to. You don't seem to have the concept of a separation between irreverence and disrespect. There is no disrespect intended, it doesn't work like that.

During much casual British conversation, there is essentially a near-constant mild mutual mocking going on, often via little bits of sarcasm. This is normal in British socialising, and isn't disrespectful.

It's about how you sent message, the receiver is other issue.

it's does not about how you consider it,it's also how about the other side consider it also.


I do think that you don't represent all British sociaty. I don't think they are disrespectful with other belief.


That's why American comedy series/movies are more populare than British one.

 

[Kirran]

I do believe they are not even majority in Sufi sect.

I dunno, hard to quantify. It's less about doctrine than experience. But if you've got this as the predominant ideals in Naqshbandis, Bektashis, Chishtis and Mevlevis, that's a lot of people already.

It's about how you sent message, the receiver is other issue.

it's does not about how you consider it,it's also how about the other side consider it also.

Well lots of things you say are disdainful towards Hindu practices, for example the worship of idols. I don't see any reason to get carried away with it.

I do think that you don't represent all British sociaty. I don't think they are disrespectful with other belief.

Irreverence is not disrespect.

After a while I just repeat myself cos you ignore some of my points.

That's why American comedy series/movies are more populare than British one.

American culture is more approachable in many ways. Although of course this may not apply to the American series focused on subtler humour. We mustn't forget that the effects of American foreign policy and soft power have made American culture more familiar to much of the world, which makes it more approachable too.

 

[Godobeyer]

I dunno, hard to quantify. It's less about doctrine than experience. But if you've got this as the predominant ideals in Naqshbandis, Bektashis, Chishtis and Mevlevis, that's a lot of people already.

"Believe in God is everything","I am God"is not majority of Muslim doctrine.

Well lots of things you say are disdainful towards Hindu practices, for example the worship of idols. I don't see any reason to get carried away with it.

That's open debate about monotheism and polytheism.
because many of Hindu worship idols as Gods.

Irreverence is not disrespect.

After a while I just repeat myself cos you ignore some of my points.

You just switch names.almost same meaning.

Irreverence is synonyms of disrespect.


Irreverence: a lack of respect for people or things that are generally taken seriously.

 

[Kirran]

"Believe in God is everything","I am God"is not majority of Muslim doctrine.

Correct. Never said otherwise.

That's open debate about monotheism and polytheism.
because many of Hindu worship idols as Gods.

Arguable. But you obviously disdain the practice.

You just switch names.almost same meaning.

Irreverence is synonyms of disrespect.


Irreverence: a lack of respect for people or things that are generally taken seriously.

Interesting - in British culture they're really quite different things. I like to think that this is the case elsewhere as well. I know very devout devotees who'll make jokes about Ganesha, Murugan or Hanuman that are irreverent, but certainly not disrespectful.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

What is wrong with those people who think that a human can be God?

Generally, a folate deficiency and bunions.

 

[sovietchild]

Generally, a folate deficiency and bunions.

Can you explain in simpler terms for me to understand you?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Can you explain in simpler terms for me to understand you?

Folate is a type of B vitamin, which our bodies need for various physiological functions.

Bunions are bony bumps that form near the base of your big toe.

 

[Godobeyer]

Correct. Never said otherwise.

You said "Wahidat alwoujoud" is Islamic term, which mean all Muslims agree on it,which in fact very tiny.

Arguable. But you obviously disdain the practice.

I don't agree with it, not about disdain it.
even I do find it strange,I will not tell that you worship "squid" idol.

Interesting - in British culture they're really quite different things. I like to think that this is the case elsewhere as well. I know very devout devotees who'll make jokes about Ganesha, Murugan or Hanuman that are irreverent, but certainly not disrespectful.

It's about culture not hindu culture.

I do believe if you make jokes about these personalities in India (in hindus region) would be in big trouble.

 

[Kirran]

You said "Wahidat alwoujoud" is Islamic term, which mean all Muslims agree on it,which in fact very tiny.

Perhaps this is the source of the confusion. Saying it is an Islamic term doesn't it is a doctrine all Muslims ascribe to. It is an Islamic theological term, but that doesn't mean every Muslim believes it.

I don't agree with it, not about disdain it.
even I do find it strange,I will not tell that you worship "squid" idol.

Go on, please?

It's about culture not hindu culture.

I do believe if you make jokes about these personalities in India (in hindus region) would be in big trouble.

I dunno, maybe yeah. Things can get quite vitriolic in India over religious matters, it's rather unhealthy.

 

[Godobeyer]

Perhaps this is the source of the confusion. Saying it is an Islamic term doesn't it is a doctrine all Muslims ascribe to. It is an Islamic theological term, but that doesn't mean every Muslim believes it.

it was about generalizing that you made at that post.

When I read "Islamic term", You gave us impression that all Muslim adopt it,which in fact its about very tiny people.
thousand or few thousand or maybe less hunderds.

Go on, please?

I don't get it,you mean , to stop or continous ?

I dunno, maybe yeah. Things can get quite vitriolic in India over religious matters, it's rather unhealthy.

Healthy is respect the other belief,not the otherwise.
provocation and disrespect always consider as evil behavior.

 

[Kirran]

Good morning.

it was about generalizing that you made at that post.

When I read "Islamic term", You gave us impression that all Muslim adopt it,which in fact its about very tiny people.
thousand or few thousand or maybe less hunderds.

'Kuffar' is an Islamic term. Doesn't mean all Muslims are kuffar.

That is a ridiculous number estimate - you've already got tens of millions with Mevlevis, Bektashis, Chishtis and Naqshbandis alone.

I don't get it,you mean , to stop or continous ?

I was asking you to do some squid insults, don't worry brother

Healthy is respect the other belief,not the otherwise.
provocation and disrespect always consider as evil behavior.

Yeah man. Straight up.

 

[Godobeyer]

Good morning

Good morning.

'Kuffar' is an Islamic term. Doesn't mean all Muslims are kuffar.

this is nonsense exemple!
This exemple gave me the impression that you have no idea what you are talking about.

That is a ridiculous number estimate - you've already got tens of millions with Mevlevis, Bektashis, Chishtis and Naqshbandis alone.

Because I don't think all these scholars or sects believe in what you think .

I was asking you to do some squid insults, don't worry brother

Ah,so you consider it as insults !

So you want me to be impolite with your religion just because you want to ?
You are unique man!


Hindu mob kills Muslim man after rumours he was eating beef

Hindu mob kills Muslim man after rumours he was eating beef

 

[Kirran]

Good morning

Good afternoon

this is nonsense exemple!
This exemple gave me the impression that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Alright, chill.

I thought of a more direct example - the term 'Imamah' is an Islamic term, but not all Muslims adhere to it. The same goes for a term like Ashari - this is an Islamic term, but not all Muslims are Asharis. So just because wahdat al-wujud is an Islamic term doesn't mean all Muslims follow it. Obviously.

Similarly, the Trinity is a Christian term, but not all Christians are Trinitarian. Avatar is a Hindu term, but not all Hindus believe in Avatars.

Because I don't think all these scholars or sects believe in what you think .

If you reject everything people say that you don't like, why talk to them?

Ah,so you consider it as insults !

So you want me to be impolite with your religion just because you want to ?
You are unique man!

Levelling the playing field!

Hindu mob kills Muslim man after rumours he was eating beef

Hindu mob kills Muslim man after rumours he was eating beef

There are Hindus who kill Muslims cos they think they ate beef. There are Muslims that behead people for not growing a beard. There are Christians that kill someone for being gay.