What is wrong with those people who think that a human can be God?

[Kirran]

I get go ahead.

So do you understand the sentence? Look, really, I'm begging you, if you don't understand something tell me, it'll make things much smoother.

Fact disrespect people by through/using their religion is impolite.

Yeah but I ain't showing no disrespect. Irreverence is not disrespect.

 

[sovietchild]

 

[Godobeyer]

So do you understand the sentence? Look, really, I'm begging you, if you don't understand something tell me, it'll make things much smoother.

I am understand, polite people here don't mock or disrespect each other beliefs.

You seems mxed between critisize/discuss religions and disrespect people by their own religion.

Yeah but I ain't showing no disrespect. Irreverence is not disrespect.

Really ?

You mocked me by my religion,my God is squid inside my holly place "Kaaba", and you claim that you don't disrespect me !

What left then ?

 

[Kirran]

I am understand, polite people here don't mock or disrespect each other beliefs.

You seems mxed between critisize/discuss religions and disrespect people by their own religion.

Right, that's a great pillar of the RF way of doing things.

I don't disrespect you for your religion Godobeyer. I can inform you of that. I find there is much to be criticised in the form of Islam you follow, and that there are problems with your approach to debate and investigation, but none of that merits personal lack of respect.

Really ?

You mocked me by my religion,my God is squid inside my holly place "Kaaba", and you claim that you don't disrespect me !

What left then ?

Do you know what irreverence is, and how it differs from disrespect?

 

[Godobeyer]

Right, that's a great pillar of the RF way of doing things.

I don't disrespect you for your religion Godobeyer. I can inform you of that. I find there is much to be criticised in the form of Islam you follow, and that there are problems with your approach to debate and investigation, but none of that merits personal lack of respect.

I inform you that you disrespect me by my religion by saying "your God is squid inside Kaaba."

This is not criticising this much impolite discuss you used.

Do you know what irreverence is, and how it differs from disrespect?

I don't care how you consider it or call it,not only me,many people here consider it as disrespect comment. (not whom pleasing you of course)

 

[Kirran]

I inform you that you disrespect me by my religion by saying "your God is squid inside Kaaba."

This is not criticising this much impolite discuss you used.

I don't care how you consider it or call it,not only me,many people here consider it as disrespect comment. (not whom pleasing you of course)

It doesn't work like that. You can't tell someone they lack respect, it is something internal. You may be able to guess at it based on what they are saying, but contradiction of a flat out statement on the subject by the person in question is meaningless.

 

[Godobeyer]

It doesn't work like that. You can't tell someone they lack respect, it is something internal. You may be able to guess at it based on what they are saying, but contradiction of a flat out statement on the subject by the person in question is meaningless.

I personally don't consider it as joke,it's great disrespect and impolite statement to tell Muslim that his God is squid in Kaaba.

Even non-Muslims members considered it as disrespect comment.

I am looking for @Smart_Guy and @FearGod opinion about your statement,I hope they comment about.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I personally don't consider it as joke,it's great disrespect and impolite statement to tell Muslim that his God is squid in Kaaba.

Even non-Muslims members considered it as disrespect comment.

I am looking for @Smart_Guy and @FearGod opinion about your statement,I hope they comment about.

Yes, it is considered rude and inappropriate; makes one disrespectful in normal cases if everything is clear and known. I'm talking about examples like the one you provided above in nature. Did someone really say it?

But I think the right expression is being disrespectful, not lacking respect. Please also remember that respect methodology (not lack of respect) differs from a person, culture, views, way of life, community to another. In some cultures/communities, for example, people don't mind calling their own parents inappropriate names or descriptions behind their backs while in ours it is considered ill mannered and taboo. I believe the right approach is to first kindly explain to who is seen/heard doing/saying something unacceptable first before going straight to the point. They could have different understanding from us. If they are good people, they would understand and consider how it is for you; as if putting themselves in your shoes.

 

[Augustus]

Crime rates in Saudi Arabia
Level of crime 19.08 Very Low
Problem people using or dealing drugs 20.28 Low
Problem property crimes such as vandalism and theft 23.11 Low
Problem violent crimes such as assault and armed robbery 16.88 Very Low
Problem corruption and bribery 36.98 Low

Lots of South East Asians go to work in the Gulf states as domestic helpers.

On several occasions countries have banned their citizens from working in Saudi because so many of them were being raped, enslaved and violently abused by their employers.

Strangely enough, I don't think Saudi counts these figures in their statistics.

 

[Kirran]

Yes, it is considered rude and inappropriate; makes one disrespectful in normal cases if everything is clear and know. I'm talking about examples like the one you provided above in nature. Did someone really say it?

But I think the right expression is being disrespectful, not lacking respect. Please also remember that respect methodology (not lack of respect) differs from a person, culture, views, way of life, community to another. In some cultures/communities, for example, people don't mind calling their own parents inappropriate names or descriptions behind their backs while in ours it is considered ill mannered and taboo. I believe the right approach is to first kindly explain to who is seen/heard doing/saying something unacceptable first before going straight to the point. They could have different understanding from us. If they are good people, they would understand and consider how it is for you; as if putting themselves in your shoes.

Yeah, GO reacted somewhat fierily to my referencing a Sufi theological ideal, so I posted 'All Muslims believe God looks like a squid' or something similar, with the assumption that every single person reading would know this was nonsense. GO, however, thought I was either being serious or making a joke, when what I was doing was highlighting the fact that his response to any claim about Islam that disagreed with his interpretations was identical regardless of whether it was well-grounded in Islamic theology and tradition or whether it was utter nonsense like the squid thing. No disrespect was meant, and I am well aware that Muslims do not believe God is squid-like, or that squid are kept in the Kaaba. I was actually really quite shocked that people were taking it seriously.

Your speaking of different methodologies of respect is a great wording, I really like that. Definitely, there are big differences - irreverence is ubiquitous in British commentary, discourse and humour, often used with no disrespect at all, which seems to be a foreign concept to GO, indicating cultural differences.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

It's was serious hurt insult to represent my God as squid inside Kaaba !
even if you are joking with me,get it ?

Let Allah pbuh defend Himself. It only matters if GOD doesn't have a sense of humor. Given what kind of life exists on the planet, surely He does.

I mean, I'm all for being super serious about the sacred. However, clowns are sacred too. Sometimes you just have to let off a chuckle every now and again or you'll explode (emotionally, hopefully not literally).

 

[FearGod]

I personally don't consider it as joke,it's great disrespect and impolite statement to tell Muslim that his God is squid in Kaaba.

Even non-Muslims members considered it as disrespect comment.

I am looking for @Smart_Guy and @FearGod opinion about your statement,I hope they comment about.

Thank you brother for asking me about my opinion about one hatred statement about
the Muslims belief and that is very common nowadays and that should makes you feel
happy than disappointed, we are in the evil era, so forget about it and let them laugh
and enjoy their life, they have some years on earth, so let them enjoy it than losing
the mundane life along with the hereafter, just ignore her comment.

 

[Kirran]

Thank you brother for asking me about my opinion about one hatred statement about
the Muslims belief and that is very common nowadays and that should makes you feel
happy than disappointed, we are in the evil era, so forget about it and let them laugh
and enjoy their life, they have some years on earth, so let them enjoy it than losing
the mundane life along with the hereafter, just ignore her comment.

Ignore his comment! I am male

I remain perplexed at where people are reading hatred into what I am saying, but it seems to be somewhat inevitable given my non-Muslim status.

 

[Godobeyer]

Yeah, GO reacted somewhat fierily to my referencing a Sufi theological ideal, so I posted 'All Muslims believe God looks like a squid' or something similar, with the assumption that every single person reading would know this was nonsense. GO, however, thought I was either being serious or making a joke, when what I was doing was highlighting the fact that his response to any claim about Islam that disagreed with his interpretations was identical regardless of whether it was well-grounded in Islamic theology and tradition or whether it was utter nonsense like the squid thing. No disrespect was meant, and I am well aware that Muslims do not believe God is squid-like, or that squid are kept in the Kaaba. I was actually really quite shocked that people were taking it seriously.

Your speaking of different methodologies of respect is a great wording, I really like that. Definitely, there are big differences - irreverence is ubiquitous in British commentary, discourse and humour, often used with no disrespect at all, which seems to be a foreign concept to GO, indicating cultural differences.

I don't think all Sufis believe "everything is God," or We are God" as you claim.

You represent it as commun understanding of all Muslims.

Your reply at that point was nonsense,and disrespect one.

 

[Kirran]

I don't think all Sufis believe "everything is God," or We are God" as you claim.

You represent it as commun understanding of all Muslims.

Your reply at that point was nonsense,and disrespect one.

It's a widespread doctrine within what one might call deeper levels of Sufi understanding, although often phrased differently. But I know Muslims who voice this idea very openly and plainly, and I personally know a Sufi Sheikh who has a massive following among Muslims in the UK, in Northern Cyprus and in South Africa (like, you can go into many Muslim-owned establishments in the UK, say you know this guy, and they'll give you meals on the house and stuff!) whose sons have told me this is their understanding. It's not some miniscule group, it's a well-established phenomenon.

I am sorry that you found my way of responding so offensive, this wasn't my intention - gotta dial down the Britishness sometimes

 

[Godobeyer]

Yes, it is considered rude and inappropriate; makes one disrespectful in normal cases if everything is clear and know. I'm talking about examples like the one you provided above in nature. Did someone really say it?

Here :
What is wrong with those people who think that a human can be God?

#32Kirran, Monday at 1:06 PM

But I think the right expression is being disrespectful, not lacking respect. Please also remember that respect methodology (not lack of respect) differs from a person, culture, views, way of life, community to another. In some cultures/communities, for example, people don't mind calling their own parents inappropriate names or descriptions behind their backs while in ours it is considered ill mannered and taboo. I believe the right approach is to first kindly explain to who is seen/heard doing/saying something unacceptable first before going straight to the point. They could have different understanding from us. If they are good people, they would understand and consider how it is for you; as if putting themselves in your shoes.

I know it's about personal and different culture,but I think respect is needed when it's comes to sensitive personal beliefs.

In general how Muslims take that statement,how you take it ,as joke or disrespect or lack or respect ...etc (above one) ?

 

[Kirran]

How a statement is taken is an ineffective basis upon which to judge how it was intended.

 

[Godobeyer]

It's a widespread doctrine within what one might call deeper levels of Sufi understanding, although often phrased differently. But I know Muslims who voice this idea very openly and plainly, and I personally know a Sufi Sheikh who has a massive following among Muslims in the UK, in Northern Cyprus and in South Africa (like, you can go into many Muslim-owned establishments in the UK, say you know this guy, and they'll give you meals on the house and stuff!) whose sons have told me this is their understanding. It's not some miniscule group, it's a well-established phenomenon.

Maybe that group is only one in Sufi sect.

Don't recall them non-Muslims because of that but,do you understand my point about they are just tiny group in sect of Sufi ?

I meant fact that 99.99% disagree with them,should be taken.

I am sorry that you found my way of responding so offensive, this wasn't my intention - gotta dial down the Britishness sometimes

Accepted

 

[Kirran]

Maybe that group is only one in Sufi sect.

Don't recall them non-Muslims because of that but,do you understand my point about they are just tiny group in sect of Sufi ?

I meant fact that 99.99% disagree with them,should be taken.

Naqshbandi, the largest Sufi sect I think.

I understand the point, but I don't think it's correct. Sufi (and Shi'ite) groups who believe in the Oneness of Existence are not a tiny sect, there are at least tens of millions of such people I'd say. If we just look at the size of the Naqshbandis, Chishtis and Bektashis that's a lot of people already right there.

 

[Godobeyer]

How a statement is taken is an ineffective basis upon which to judge how it was intended.

Because I don't receive it as joke as you think,I think no one single Muslim in world will consider it as joke.

If you slap your friend to joke with ,you don't mean to hurt him, he get hurt, so how he should explain to you he got hurted ,it's was not funny ?