What is wrong with those people who think that a human can be God?

[Godobeyer]

Good afternoon



Alright, chill.

I thought of a more direct example - the term 'Imamah' is an Islamic term, but not all Muslims adhere to it. The same goes for a term like Ashari - this is an Islamic term, but not all Muslims are Asharis. So just because wahdat al-wujud is an Islamic term doesn't mean all Muslims follow it. Obviously.

Similarly, the Trinity is a Christian term, but not all Christians are Trinitarian. Avatar is a Hindu term, but not all Hindus believe in Avatars.

and wahdat al-wujud is not acceptable term by majority of Muslims.

If you reject everything people say that you don't like, why talk to them?

I don't know what they said, to judge them.
you just provide names !

There are Hindus who kill Muslims cos they think they ate beef. There are Muslims that behead people for not growing a beard. There are Christians that kill someone for being gay.

This is it,
whatever they were wrong or correct,some Hindus will not accept their religion be insulted.

 

[Kirran]

and wahdat al-wujud is not acceptable term by majority of Muslims.

Most wouldn't agree with it, I suspect no. But a big chunk would.

I don't know what they said, to judge them.
you just provide names !

So don't make assumptions either way then.

This is it,
whatever they were wrong or correct,some Hindus will not accept their religion be insulted.

Correct.

 

[Godobeyer]

Most wouldn't agree with it, I suspect no. But a big chunk would.

"That big chunk" could be less than less few hunderds or thousands people.vs Billion.

So don't make assumptions either way then.

You did made assumaptions by posting names without provide what they said.

 

[Kirran]

"That big chunk" could be less than less few hunderds or thousands people.vs Billion.

That would be a small chunk. I said a big chunk.

You did made assumaptions by posting names without provide what they said.

Having read plenty about Sufi groups, I am confident in saying that these tariqats adhere to wahdat al-wujud. Many tariqats do of course, not just these. Similarly, I'm confident in saying that Gaudiya Vaishnavas believe Krishna is the Supreme Personality of God, that Shi'ites reject the righteousness of Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman as Caliphs, that Druze believe in reincarnation, that Alawites have believe Muhammad, Ali and Salman were manifestations of God, that orthodox Roman Catholics believe in papal infallibility etc. I don't imagine you will start kicking off about those.

 

[Godobeyer]

That would be a small chunk. I said a big chunk.

Only in your head.

Having read plenty about Sufi groups, I am confident in saying that these tariqats adhere to wahdat al-wujud. Many tariqats do of course, not just these. Similarly, I'm confident in saying that Gaudiya Vaishnavas believe Krishna is the Supreme Personality of God, that Shi'ites reject the righteousness of Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman as Caliphs, that Druze believe in reincarnation, that Alawites have believe Muhammad, Ali and Salman were manifestations of God, that orthodox Roman Catholics believe in papal infallibility etc. I don't imagine you will start kicking off about those.

Yes I read about them .

Not all sufis accept that idealogy, created by Husayn ibn Ali.

 

[Kirran]

Only in your head.

Haha, OK!

Yes I read about them .

Not all sufis accept that idealogy, created by Husayn ibn Ali.

Right, I never said all Sufis held this understanding. But hey, Rumi did so that's a lot of followers of his already, the Chishtis did/do (like Bulleh Shah, Bawa Muhaiyaddeen etc) and Naqshbandi teachers have said it to me. I've read the Qalandariyya also hold this understanding (I only just found out this was an independent tariqat, I'd imagined it was within the Chishti tariqat but it isn't).

As Imam Husayn taught this, a hefty chunk of Shi'ites are gonna be on board too - that's a lot of heads.

 

[V lad i mir]

Let’s contemplate for a moment. …A human who thinks that a human can be God… Do you think they wont to be gods themselves? Do they want to be the absolute rulers? Do they want to be the fashioners? Do they want to be the source of peace?

The closest rank to God is knowledge. What is wrong with those people who think that a human can be the all-knowing? Is it a fantasy? Are they deluded? Are they trying to help you? Or are they trying to deceive you in order to obtain money?

If a human worships a human, then how is it not a self-worship?

I believe they are not delusional in the sense that they see little green men or hear disembodied voices telling them to kill the local sports team or have worms living under their skin. They aren’t schizophrenic or hallucinating. No, they simply don’t deal in the truth. They have fantasy perceptions of the world around them (and the people in it) that they convince themselves are real. Rather like a child, they live in a pretend world. And like a child with an invisible friend, it is very, very real to them.

What is wrong with those people who think that a human can be God?

You have this Q. because you don't know what "god" mean, and diff. between god and creator.

 

[sovietchild]

You have this Q. because you don't know what "god" mean, and diff. between god and creator.

What is the diff. between God and The Creator?