What is your belief about homosexuality?

[katiemygirl]

More evidence of homophobic attitudes in the people who wrote the Bible?

The people who wrote the Bible were inspired by God. You are free to accept or reject God's word. You can argue your case before Him when your time comes.

 

[katiemygirl]

I voted "Other." I think it is natural, but like any other natural phenomenon, it is neither "good" nor "bad" per se. Based on the scientific evidence we currently have, I believe it is not a harmful or "immoral" orientation at all



I genuinely think the Bible is more harmful and destructive than homosexuality has ever been or will ever be, and I think Paul was a deceiver who lied about being inspired by a god when spreading his hatred and ignorance.

It seems to me that it is extremely misguided to deny other people basic freedoms based on one's personal beliefs, especially when those freedoms don't impact you or those you care about in any way.

I voted "Other." I think it is natural, but like any other natural phenomenon, it is neither "good" nor "bad" per se. Based on the scientific evidence we currently have, I believe it is not a harmful or "immoral" orientation at all.



I genuinely think the Bible is more harmful and destructive than homosexuality has ever been or will ever be, and I think Paul was a deceiver who lied about being inspired by a god when spreading his hatred and ignorance.

It seems to me that it is extremely misguided to deny other people basic freedoms based on one's personal beliefs, especially when those freedoms don't impact you or those you care about in any way.

God gave you the freedom to choose to believe whatever you want. He gave me the same freedom. I don't deny anyone anything. What people do is not my business. I simply answered the questions in the OP.

 

[katiemygirl]

I suspect that there are great many a person who will be most surprised with the outcome after arguing their case before god.

I suspect you are 100% correct! However, if one obeys the gospel of Jesus Christ and remains faithful, he/she has a pretty good shot of making it to heaven as opposed to those who don't.

 

[katiemygirl]

all that and you did not answer the question...

Are you claiming they are Gods words but it was Paul that wrote them down?

If so, why not simply state as such?

Yes I am claiming they are God's words, and Paul wrote them down.

 

[katiemygirl]

You need to QUOTE so we know whom you are replying to. I will assume this is to me.

There are NO "homosexuals" in 1Cor. 6:9 either.

1 CO 6:9 Know you not that the “heathen” shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither prostitutes (pornos,) nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the morally weak, nor arsenokoites (rapists,)

There are no ancient Greek texts using arsenokoites or its stem as homosexuality. There are uses for both male and female as RAPE.

The Thesaurus Linguae Graecae. TLG has collected and digitized most literary texts written in Greek, from the 8th century BC to the fall of Byzantium in AD 1453. They have 73 references to the arsenokoit stem. There are NO early Greek uses of the word as “homosexual.” LATER - the church decides to translate it as such – then these later texts copy the church original.

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There are NO "homosexuals" in 1Cor. 6:9 either.

1 CO 6:9 Know you not that the “heathen” shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither prostitutes (pornos,) nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the morally weak, nor arsenokoites (rapists,)

There are no ancient Greek texts using arsenokoites or its stem as homosexuality. There are uses for both male and female as RAPE.

The Thesaurus Linguae Graecae. TLG has collected and digitized most literary texts written in Greek, from the 8th century BC to the fall of Byzantium in AD 1453. They have 73 references to the arsenokoit stem. There are NO early Greek uses of the word as “homosexual.” LATER - the church decides to translate it as such – then these later texts copy the church original.
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From the beginning, God has looked upon homosexuality as an abomination. "'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Leviticus 18:22

You will get your chance to argue your case when your time comes.

Katie

 

[McBell]

God gave you the freedom to choose your path. I don't argue about His word. It is what it is. I believe and accept it. You will get your chance to argue your case when your time comes.
Katie

I am not the least bit impressed with empty threats.

 

[Midnight Rain]

You will get your chance to argue your case when your time comes.

Katie

If there really is a god like this then I can't wait to beat him in this debate.

 

[Draka]

You will get your chance to argue your case when your time comes.

Katie

You seem to say this a lot, with such confidence. And you? Are you prepared to "argue your case" should you die and are confronted with a deity or some afterlife you do not believe in?

 

[averageJOE]

Advocating anal and oral sex to children in public is a criminal offense, is blasphemous, not ignorant but arrogant, short sighted, selfish thing.

Neglectful relationships are founded on adultery and atheism,

rape is the product of atheism and adultery as well as moral conflictions such as homosexuality.

the word homosexuality implies no other message than, anal and oral sex.
this subliminally promotes neglectful relationships in schools and outside of school, as well as corrupting imagination, motives, ambitions and morals of everyone.

Homosexuality is a 100% negative thing on humanity, culture and the world.

Political injustice is founded, enacted and justified by atheists.

Do you have anything to back up all these claims?

 

[nazz]

You seem to say this a lot, with such confidence. And you? Are you prepared to "argue your case" should you die and are confronted with a deity or some afterlife you do not believe in?

Or for that matter the one she says she DOES believe in?

 

[nazz]

I got it from an Archaeology magazine article. I believe it was BR (Bible Review) which discussed many such controversial issues. They are no longer in print, but their sister publication (BAR) Biblical Archaeology Review keeps some of their articles archived. I did a quick search for TLG online and found Thesaurus Linguae Graecae

According to the article I read, it means rape and other sexual crimes against other people against their will. So it would also include pedophilia, sexual misuse of slaves, etc.

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OK, thanks. If so, it would fall in line with other material in the Bible. But all I have ever heard before is that this was a word first used by Paul and not found in previous Greek literature. If that is the case knowing precisely what he meant could prove difficult. I did find this site which discusses this:

Arsenokoites was never used in antiquity with our modern meaning of homosexual.

 

[Underhill]

If there really is a god like this then I can't wait to beat him in this debate.

I share this opinion on a great many topics. I came to the conclusion as a teenager that if God exist as taught in the bible, he isn't worth following. It started with the whole, 'Kill your own son as a sign of your devotion' thing. The bibles stand on homosexuality is just one more prime example of a god who created everything, knowing what the outcome would be, and then judging everyone for the outcome of his creation.

It's like building a one way road off a cliff and complaining when people drove off it. What kind of being would do that?

 

[Draka]

It's like building a one way road off a cliff and complaining when people drove off it. What kind of being would do that?

Not an intelligent or benevolent or loving or wise one. Rather a stupid, a bit insane, sadistic, cruel one. Of course, those who for some reason can believe it all and still somehow claim the first qualities will never see nor admit that.

 

[katiemygirl]

I am not the least bit impressed with empty threats.

You don't believe you will stand before the judgement seat some day?

 

[katiemygirl]

If there really is a god like this then I can't wait to beat him in this debate.

There really is a God like this, but don't count on winning any debates with the creator of the universe. One more thing...you may want to rethink your "I can't wait" comment. ; )

 

[Midnight Rain]

There really is a God like this, but don't count on winning any debates with the creator of the universe. One more thing...you may want to rethink your "I can't wait" comment. ; )

I don't believe in the portrayal of the Christian god. I do believe in god but I don't believe god to be a petty being obsessed with sexual orientation or promiscuity rather than the quality of ones own heart. I believe we are measured by love rather than obedience to imposed restrictions. Aside from subjective opinion on the nature of higher beings what basis do you have on "god" judging me?

Though I don't think I will take back anything from that post. If the Christian portrayal of god is in fact correct then I don't think I would have lived my life any differently.

 

[Underhill]

There really is a God like this, but don't count on winning any debates with the creator of the universe. One more thing...you may want to rethink your "I can't wait" comment. ; )

Who cares if your god is a bit off his gourd, you follow him because to do otherwise would risk his wrath?

Sorry, can't do it.

 

[katiemygirl]

I share this opinion on a great many topics. I came to the conclusion as a teenager that if God exist as taught in the bible, he isn't worth following. It started with the whole, 'Kill your own son as a sign of your devotion' thing. The bibles stand on homosexuality is just one more prime example of a god who created everything, knowing what the outcome would be, and then judging everyone for the outcome of his creation.

It's like building a one way road off a cliff and complaining when people drove off it. What kind of being would do

I don't believe in the portrayal of the Christian god. I do believe in god but I don't believe god to be a petty being obsessed with sexual orientation or promiscuity rather than the quality of ones own heart. I believe we are measured by love rather than obedience to imposed restrictions. Aside from subjective opinion on the nature of higher beings what basis do you have on "god" judging me?

Though I don't think I will take back anything from that post. If the Christian portrayal of god is in fact correct then I don't think I would have lived my life any differently.

My opinion is based solely on the word of God, which clearly states that Jesus is coming again, and there will be a judgement of the living and the dead. Judgement will be based on the deeds done in this life. The good news is God offers forgiveness through His Son Jesus for all of us. We are all sinners. God gave us the wonderful gift of free will. You cited the story of God asking Abraham to sacrifice his only son Isaac. You see, Abraham believed in God so deeply that he knew God wouldn't let any harm come to Isaac. Abraham had the love and trust God desires. And that's what it's all about. If we love and trust God with all of our hearts, we can overcome anything, including sin. Peace and blessings,
Katie

 

[Midnight Rain]

My opinion is based solely on the word of God, which clearly states that Jesus is coming again, and there will be a judgement of the living and the dead. Judgement will be based on the deeds done in this life. The good news is God offers forgiveness through His Son Jesus for all of us. We are all sinners. God gave us the wonderful gift of free will. You cited the story of God asking Abraham to sacrifice his only son Isaac. You see, Abraham believed in God so deeply that he knew God wouldn't let any harm come to Isaac. Abraham had the love and trust God desires. And that's what it's all about. If we love and trust God with all of our hearts, we can overcome anything, including sin. Peace and blessings,
Katie

According tot he word of Allah all Christians are infidels. How is the word of the bible to be trusted any more than the word of the Quran?

 

[nazz]

My opinion is based solely on the word of God...
Katie

My profound hope and prayer would be that you come to question that assumption