What is your belief in regards to God?

[Thief]

It's only a fallacy when the desirability of the consequences of an argument are used as evidence for the legitimacy of that argument.

I think the line of thought is physically real.......
I do believe the grave follows non-belief.

 

[LuisDantas]

Look at these "answers?" from the Atheists. No substance. No actual engaging of the premise. Where is your final arbiter of truth? (science) Like the other major questions of life - morality, purpose, metaphysics etc...nothing. No logical, ethical, personally satisfying answer. We see fear. We see strawmen. We see rabbit trails. Through the expression in their vitriolic language (the default tool of the atheist) we see hatred of the inescapable evidence within and without of the existence of the Christian God they refuse to submit to and His children that present to them His truth. But take heart. While there is life there is hope.

Rick, there is quite a lot that you are either misunderstanding or misrepresenting here.

But at the core of it, what strikes me as most misguided is the premise that there is a need for answers to questions that are of dubious meaning, some of which can only exist by taking even more dubious premises on their own.

One does not have any need or duty to lend prestige to such jaundiced expectations.

 

[LuisDantas]

if you can't push the big guy around.....you then deny His existence.
that won't make the 'bully' any smaller.

There is indeed quite a lot that I can't manage to do with characters that do not even exist.

 

[outhouse]

Look at these "answers?" from the Atheists. No substance. No actual engaging of the premise. Where is your final arbiter of truth? (science) Like the other major questions of life - morality, purpose, metaphysics etc...nothing. No logical, ethical, personally satisfying answer. We see fear. We see strawmen. We see rabbit trails. Through the expression in their vitriolic language (the default tool of the atheist) we see hatred of the inescapable evidence within and without of the existence of the Christian God they refuse to submit to and His children that present to them His truth. But take heart. While there is life there is hope.

We see many people completely uneducated biblically speaking, who claim education and knowledge is vitriol.

We see many false claims from people who have no passion for the truth.

Most of all we see personal baseless attacks and complete denial to engage in adult conversations regarding any possible evidence, either way.

 

[Parsimony]

I think the line of thought is physically real.......
I do believe the grave follows non-belief.

I guess I kind of follow you. I know the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that nonbelievers perish upon death (or something like that). However, the presence of belief in an afterlife wouldn't create one if it isn't possible. Likewise, lack of belief in an afterlife wouldn't destroy it for those who get to experience it.

 

[Rick B]

We see many people completely uneducated biblically speaking, who claim education and knowledge is vitriol.

We see many false claims from people who have no passion for the truth.

Most of all we see personal baseless attacks and complete denial to engage in adult conversations regarding any possible evidence, either way.

It is encouraging to see an opponent understand, if not agree, with the assertions raised against his position in such a civil way.

 

[Rick B]

Rick, there is quite a lot that you are either misunderstanding or misrepresenting here.

But at the core of it, what strikes me as most misguided is the premise that there is a need for answers to questions that are of dubious meaning, some of which can only exist by taking even more dubious premises on their own.

One does not have any need or duty to lend prestige to such jaundiced expectations.

If you are completely indifferent to the deep questions of life. If you have no concern or ability to make a reasoned defense for those questions or the foundation upon which you define truth and interpret facts, why are you here and why are you offering your opinion about the issues of life which are so meaningless to you? So to accommodate you with that which would fit well into your scheme of life and to which you could not possibly have an objection - consider yourself wafted off

 

[Thief]

I guess I kind of follow you. I know the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that nonbelievers perish upon death (or something like that). However, the presence of belief in an afterlife wouldn't create one if it isn't possible. Likewise, lack of belief in an afterlife wouldn't destroy it for those who get to experience it.

ok...let's say I do believe in life after death... (I do)....
but God and heaven have a code of behavior...
I might well stand from this carcass and remain aware....
but if my belief is not compatible to continuance....
my continuance might not be allowed.

I believe your abilities are related to your belief.
if you do not believe in life after death....your last breath is final.
if you do believe in life after death...your continuance is subject to Those already there.

 

[Thief]

It is encouraging to see an opponent understand, if not agree, with the assertions raised against his position in such a civil way.

wait til he tells you ...your belief is a myth and unsubstantiated.

 

[Parsimony]

ok...let's say I do believe in life after death... (I do)....
but God and heaven have a code of behavior...
I might well stand from this carcass and remain aware....
but if my belief is not compatible to continuance....
my continuance might not be allowed.

I believe your abilities are related to your belief.
if you do not believe in life after death....your last breath is final.
if you do believe in life after death...your continuance is subject to Those already there.

Thank you for the elaboration.

 

[Straw Dog]

I take a step back and realize that "God" is a word and a concept. It all depends upon what we mean and what we actually do with it that matters most.

 

[outhouse]

It is encouraging to see an opponent understand, if not agree, with the assertions raised against his position in such a civil way.

I have a passion for real biblical history, more passion then most theist.

 

[LuisDantas]

If you are completely indifferent to the deep questions of life. If you have no concern or ability to make a reasoned defense for those questions or the foundation upon which you define truth and interpret facts, why are you here and why are you offering your opinion about the issues of life which are so meaningless to you? So to accommodate you with that which would fit well into your scheme of life and to which you could not possibly have an objection - consider yourself wafted off

You are not only failing badly at describing me, I doubt you are describing anyone who might actually exist.

How much of an intent to be caricatural or satirical are you using?

 

[sunray]

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The bible is evidence with witnessed accounts in it, you know that; but you will also equally ignore it but still except other history books because you can understand them and can't understand the bible. Is there any point mentioning other evidenced if you can't accept something as simple as that? I doubt it.

Both Tanakh and New Testament - were written from verbal stories long after the supposed events, and perhaps some fragment accounts written along the way, long after the events.

If we accept your book as proof of invisible beings - then we have to accept all religion's books claiming invisible beings, and first hand accounts. Yours is no different to us.

Thus Mithras, and Kali, Dianna, Zeus, Asherah, Baal, etc., would all be real Gods and Goddesses.

The Bible is just another book claiming knowledge of an unknown.

There is no way to actually know these invisible beings exist, - thus it is just belief in their existence.

*You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you.

"Do what is RIGHT and eventually it will circle around to BLESS YOU32
At this point I'd like to tell a little story:

One day a spiritually developed young man goes to a MIND & BODY exhibition in Bristol England.
In the hall are many stall's, Clairvoyants, Taro card readers, Astrology stands ect..
At one of these stalls is a camera man and clairvoyant behind a table on which are some photo albums.
The young man looks a

 

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The bible is evidence with witnessed accounts in it, you know that; but you will also equally ignore it but still except other history books because you can understand them and can't understand the bible. Is there any point mentioning other evidenced if you can't accept something as simple as that? I doubt it.

Both Tanakh and New Testament - were written from verbal stories long after the supposed events, and perhaps some fragment accounts written along the way, long after the events.

If we accept your book as proof of invisible beings - then we have to accept all religion's books claiming invisible beings, and first hand accounts. Yours is no different to us.

Thus Mithras, and Kali, Dianna, Zeus, Asherah, Baal, etc., would all be real Gods and Goddesses.

The Bible is just another book claiming knowledge of an unknown.

There is no way to actually know these invisible beings exist, - thus it is just belief in their existence.

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You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you.

"Do what is RIGHT and eventually it will circle around to BLESS YOU32
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At this point I'd like to tell a little story:

One day a spiritually developed young man goes to a MIND & BODY exhibition in Bristol England.
In the hall are many stall's, Clairvoyants, Taro card readers, Astrology stands ect..
At one of these stalls is a camera man and clairvoyant behind a table on which are some photo albums.
The young man looks a

You need to reformat that or something.

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[sunray]

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As I was saying:One day a spiritually developed young man goes to a MIND & BODY exhibition in Bristol, England. In the 1980s!
In the hall are many stall's, Clairvoyants, Taro card readers, Astrology stands ect..
At one of these stalls there is a camera man and clairvoyant, behind a table on which are some photo albums. The young man looks at all the photo albums, which show, at a certain level, the things that surround a person spiritually, these things are normally invisible, but there are seers who can see these things. With simple training almost anyone can learn to see things that exist in the spiritual dimension.
However, now they have discovered a method of taking spiritual photographs, it's called Crystal Photography.

Anyway, these photos show many spiritual things like Pyramids above certain peoples heads, rainbows, spiritual faces around people, etc..
Could it all be trick photography one might ask?

However the spiritually developed young person can see certain things spiritually and has his photo taken and speaks to the clairvoyant. Low and behold, this photograph clearly shows something that is not on any of the other photos, something that the young person knows is there, he is surrounded by beautiful colours, greens, blues, yellows, light blues etc... The clairvoyant is amazed and holds the young man's hand tenderly and says "you h

 

[Rick O'Shez]

if you do not believe in life after death....your last breath is final.
if you do believe in life after death...your continuance is subject to Those already there.

So you believe that you can live forever just by believing it's possible?

 

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The clairvoyant is amazed and holds the young man's hand tenderly and says "you haved so much love to give..., you will become clairvoyant to the highest level..." Ect...

She then asks what all the colours are. But the gobsmacked young man can say nothing; as it says in the bible, some levels are without words. Yet he can see these colours every day, and more!
The camera man says " you know, so why don't you tell us"? Silence..
Then they ask if they can keep the photo for thier album. No, replies the young man.
So they ask if they might take another photo for thier album. "OK".he replies..
Many things have changed in the second photo, every thing is moving and alive. Cool and beautiful for some!

So my reply to your post, my dear Ingledsva, is that invisible can be seen, it's all there, in the background every minute. You just need five minutes training, under good conditions and perhaps you too can see these things for yourself. It's called peripheral vision, and such things can be photographed too now!
Or you can simply have faith!

I know, as I know there is a God too, because I was that young man, filled wtih faith before a training at 22 years of age, that allows me to see!


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[Machavelle]

I believe God may exist however I cannot be certain without seeing him.

 

[LuisDantas]

If you are completely indifferent to the deep questions of life.

Nope.

Instead, I am not interested in satisfying your expectations of what those questions would be. That does not entitle you to misjudge me.