What is your opinion of Jesus?

[Ben Dhyan]

paarsurrey said:
" Jesus and Mahdi "
Jesus-in Second Coming and Mahdi are already come in one person i.e. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, right?

"Armageddon "

With the truthful advent of Second Coming 1835-1908, I understand , Armageddon is already started, right, please?

Regards

We can agree that Armageddon has begun, but has not gone nuclear yet, but perhaps quite soon.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Because being a Christian didn't work out for me and I never felt accepted by the community, and was mistreated. My mom died and I was basically abandoned by my parish, who just let me fall into homelessness. The very idea of going to church fills me with anxiety because of the people. So I just gave it up.

I wish I could be part of a spiritual community but I doubt that will ever happen. Just like I will never have a family.

Saint Frankenstein, the spiritual path is not about the church, the community, or belief, it is about what and who you really are in the context of all that is/God. It is not an easy life because our bodies/tabernacles have desires related to the material world, not the spiritual.

So whilst I feel sympathy with you for your suffering, I would pray that you face the challenge and realize the potential within to transcend all the obstacles that would stand in the way. You may then look back on your life and say that you would not change a single thing.

 

[paarsurrey]

What is your opinion of Jesus?​

paarsurrey said:
" Jesus and Mahdi "
Jesus-in Second Coming and Mahdi are already come in one person i.e. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, right?

"Armageddon "

With the truthful advent of Second Coming 1835-1908, I understand , Armageddon is already started, right, please?

We can agree that Armageddon has begun, but has not gone nuclear yet, but perhaps quite soon.

Just to remind that nuclear arsenal was used in WW-2 , but, why G-d would punish the people if they accept Second Coming 1835-1908 and mend their ways as per his teachings and deeds, please, right?

No doubt that the innocent/simple Christians want to believe in G-d, but they have been misled by the Paulines to Trinity, pleas, right?

Regards

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What is your opinion of Jesus?​

paarsurrey said:
" Jesus and Mahdi "
Jesus-in Second Coming and Mahdi are already come in one person i.e. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, right?

"Armageddon "

With the truthful advent of Second Coming 1835-1908, I understand , Armageddon is already started, right, please?

Just to remind that nuclear arsenal was used in WW-2 , but, why G-d would punish the people if they accept Second Coming 1835-1908 and mend their ways as per his teachings and deeds, please, right?

No doubt that the innocent/simple Christians want to believe in G-d, but they have been misled by the Paulines to Trinity, pleas, right?

Regards

The spiritual path is not about the church, the community, or belief, it is about what and who you really are in the context of all that is/God. All religions are true in that they offer support to the true spiritual aspirant, If you spend your time attacking another's religion, you are using up valuable time in what is a relative short life that could be used for the devotion to God.

 

[paarsurrey]

What is your opinion of Jesus?​

paarsurrey said:
" Jesus and Mahdi "
Jesus-in Second Coming and Mahdi are already come in one person i.e. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, right?

"Armageddon "

With the truthful advent of Second Coming 1835-1908, I understand , Armageddon is already started, right, please?

Just to remind that nuclear arsenal was used in WW-2 , but, why G-d would punish the people if they accept Second Coming 1835-1908 and mend their ways as per his teachings and deeds, please, right?

No doubt that the innocent/simple Christians want to believe in G-d, but they have been misled by the Paulines to Trinity, pleas, right?
To support the Messenger/Prophet of G-d, as he has been sent by G-d, is not against other religions, as this is done, not with blindfaith but with reasonable arguments is part of the worship of G-d, one must sat, please, right?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

What is your opinion of Jesus?

(Jesus)Yeshua- :

1. the truthful Israelite Messiah
2. was a straight forward, truthful person
3. he believed in One/G-d,
4. was Son of Mary only, not of any God
5. (Jesus) got married and had children
6. (Jesus) migrated from Galilee to the East where his people (Israelites belonging to 10 lost tribes of Israel)
7. (Jesus) died a natural death at the ripe age of about 120 years.

Right? please.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

What is your opinion of Jesus?
(Jesus)Yeshua- :

1. the truthful Israelite Messiah
2. was a straight forward, truthful person
3. he believed in One/G-d,
4. was Son of Mary only, not of any God
5. (Jesus) got married and had children
6. (Jesus) migrated from Galilee to the East where his people (Israelites belonging to 10 lost tribes of Israel) lived,
7. (Jesus) died a natural death at the ripe age of about 120 years.

In nutshell he was a man (neither god, nor "son of god", nor a lump "god in the flesh") please:

3:46 When the angels said, ‘O Mary, Allah gives thee glad tidings of a word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God;

Holy Quran: Read, Listen and Search

In Arabic, Chinese, English, French, German, Italian, Spanish and Urdu.

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Right?

Regards
_______________
Original Arabic narration/text from Muhammad's time below:-
3:46 اِذۡ قَالَتِ الۡمَلٰٓئِکَۃُ یٰمَرۡیَمُ اِنَّ اللّٰہَ یُبَشِّرُکِ بِکَلِمَۃٍ مِّنۡہُ ٭ۖ اسۡمُہُ الۡمَسِیۡحُ عِیۡسَی ابۡنُ مَرۡیَمَ وَجِیۡہًا فِی الدُّنۡیَا وَالۡاٰخِرَۃِ وَمِنَ الۡمُقَرَّبِیۡنَ ﴿ۙ۴۶

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What is your opinion of Jesus?
(Jesus)Yeshua- :

1. the truthful Israelite Messiah
2. was a straight forward, truthful person
3. he believed in One/G-d,
4. was Son of Mary only, not of any God
5. (Jesus) got married and had children
6. (Jesus) migrated from Galilee to the East where his people (Israelites belonging to 10 lost tribes of Israel) lived,
7. (Jesus) died a natural death at the ripe age of about 120 years.

In nutshell he was a man (neither god, nor "son of god", nor a lump "god in the flesh") please:

3:46 When the angels said, ‘O Mary, Allah gives thee glad tidings of a word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God;

Holy Quran: Read, Listen and Search

In Arabic, Chinese, English, French, German, Italian, Spanish and Urdu.

www.alislam.org

Right?

Regards
_______________
Original Arabic narration/text from Muhammad's time below:-
3:46 اِذۡ قَالَتِ الۡمَلٰٓئِکَۃُ یٰمَرۡیَمُ اِنَّ اللّٰہَ یُبَشِّرُکِ بِکَلِمَۃٍ مِّنۡہُ ٭ۖ اسۡمُہُ الۡمَسِیۡحُ عِیۡسَی ابۡنُ مَرۡیَمَ وَجِیۡہًا فِی الدُّنۡیَا وَالۡاٰخِرَۃِ وَمِنَ الۡمُقَرَّبِیۡنَ ﴿ۙ۴۶

What is important imho, is not the biblical historical narrative about Jesus, but to actually live and do what he taught. The Rabbis of the time of Jesus knew the Torah very well, but they didn't live and do the teaching therein, and worse, they didn't teach the lay people to live and do according to the teaching.

For example, Jesus taught that unless one is born of the spirit, they will not attain to the kingdom of heaven. Upon reading this, any reasonably serious aspirant should immediately reflect on their life and strive to be born of the spirit.

 

[Balthazzar]

I'm curious on why people don't believe in Jesus?

Oh, I believe in him, and I view him as a standup guy, and a good teacher. If he were part of a military unit, he'd have been the guy ready and willing to give up his own life to save his unit, if and when it was best to do so. I view him as if he'd have been a great friend to know, an honest one, and someone you could count on. Good people, although he wouldn't say this about himself.

 

[YoursTrue]

What is important imho, is not the biblical historical narrative about Jesus, but to actually live and do what he taught. The Rabbis of the time of Jesus knew the Torah very well, but they didn't live and do the teaching therein, and worse, they didn't teach the lay people to live and do according to the teaching.

For example, Jesus taught that unless one is born of the spirit, they will not attain to the kingdom of heaven. Upon reading this, any reasonably serious aspirant should immediately reflect on their life and strive to be born of the spirit.

Well, that's an interesting point.

 

[YoursTrue]

Oh, I believe in him, and I view him as a standup guy, and a good teacher. If he were part of a military unit, he'd have been the guy ready and willing to give up his own life to save his unit, if and when it was best to do so. I view him as if he'd have been a great friend to know, an honest one, and someone you could count on. Good people, although he wouldn't say this about himself.

Here ya go. Because he knew and taught that his heavenly Father is the only true God. The ultimate in perfection. Therefore Jesus knew everything he knew about goodness and perfection from his heavenly Father. That is why he refuted the flattering remark when someone called him 'good teacher.' Because everything he learned about goodness was from his Father.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Well, that's an interesting point.

Yes, it is the crux.

We each live our life according to our present state of conditioning based on what has gone before. So to add some urgent impetus to our life, all of our past conditioning has to be transcended. Not an easy path, for our conditioning is just that, our opinions and way of life goes on based on what we presently are.

 

[Arnaud1221]

A martyr and a metaphoric example.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, it is the crux.

We each live our life according to our present state of conditioning based on what has gone before. So to add some urgent impetus to our life, all of our past conditioning has to be transcended. Not an easy path, for our conditioning is just that, our opinions and way of life goes on based on what we presently are.

I have to agree with you there. Of course, once confronted with a 'different' opinion, it's possible we can change our mindset, or thinking.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, it is the crux.

We each live our life according to our present state of conditioning based on what has gone before. So to add some urgent impetus to our life, all of our past conditioning has to be transcended. Not an easy path, for our conditioning is just that, our opinions and way of life goes on based on what we presently are.

Again, I'd have to agree with you here. For me it was like crossing the river Jordan, if that makes any sense. I liken it to a marriage. A very, very serious decision.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I have to agree with you there. Of course, once confronted with a 'different' opinion, it's possible we can change our mindset, or thinking.

Yes, even so, our conditioning tends to resist change even when our higher instincts see clearly that change is required. Conditioning is like inertia, things tend to keep moving in the same direction even though the thrusts of change of direction have been implemented.

Hence change may require not only the strength of will with all our mind for an extended period, but also with all our heart, and with all our soul.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, even so, our conditioning tends to resist change even when our higher instincts see clearly that change is required. Conditioning is like inertia, things tend to keep moving in the same direction even though the thrusts of change of direction have been implemented.

Hence change may require not only the strength of will with all our mind for an extended period, but also with all our heart, and with all our soul.

That is true.

 

[Balthazzar]

Here ya go. Because he knew and taught that his heavenly Father is the only true God. The ultimate in perfection. Therefore Jesus knew everything he knew about goodness and perfection from his heavenly Father. That is why he refuted the flattering remark when someone called him 'good teacher.' Because everything he learned about goodness was from his Father.

I was thinking he was too humble to claim to be good like God is good. He was like us in every way, I read. I suppose that means he was also prone to mistakes like the rest of us, which makes me question what it means to be perfect as a sacrifice. Heavenly father and God - I wonder sometimes if they are the same. I'm thinking no, but I could be wrong. I'm still learning what it all means to me. Joseph, I'll presume is his father in heaven. God is God and I question whether Heavenly father is referring to Joseph or the God of all Gods. Discerning the text as written isn't easy. I struggle quite a lot. Don't ask me to simply believe what other people try to teach me about it either. I'd rather not be ashamed in my efforts to understand truth from error. Shadow walking has never been a strong character trait of mine. I'm a little more independent than that, albeit limited in understanding.

Mark 10:18

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, even so, our conditioning tends to resist change even when our higher instincts see clearly that change is required. Conditioning is like inertia, things tend to keep moving in the same direction even though the thrusts of change of direction have been implemented.

Hence change may require not only the strength of will with all our mind for an extended period, but also with all our heart, and with all our soul.

Which is one reason why I believe it is God Almighty that must help us to do what is pleasing in His eyes. Because looking at Moses and other figures in the Bible it was not easy even for them to stay on the "straight and narrow." Even like Daniel, they had to constantly pray.

 

[Jimmy]

I think he’s a cool cat.