You can declare a context unuseful for you, but it's in no way fallacious.
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What is your stance on free will?
- Thread starter ZenMonkey
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You can declare a context unuseful for you, but it's in no way fallacious.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Are we now moving to performing miracles to support the notion of freewill?
shawn001
Well-Known Member
"rather, decisions are made unconsciously"
without you "consciously" being aware and knowing about it.
And this is what I have been saying, because its important to the "freewill" debate in the actual operation of how the brain functions.
The term really though subconscious, unconscious is still used by neuroscientists and people in many in these fields, they just know they are really talking about the same thing nowadays, the way the brain works as a whole not a specific location, I had never mentioned there was one.
Hence why the video from the one neuroscentists I posted was using the term subconscious.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Similarly one can perform all sorts of mental gymnastics to make a concept still hold personal value and yet still not have it be useful.
As far as awareness is considered to be passive, an act of observation that occurs post-reality, this is necessary.
The very use of the terminology does reserve an "area of the brain" for things to happen. It allows for such debatable statements as, "the unconscious mind makes decisions," and that this somehow twarts the free will debate.
It was useful to build the society I live in. That hasn't changed.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
So it's a useful deception? I don't see how. Given the way the US prison system is going punishment for intent doesn't solve anything.
How is it a deception? Who is being deceived?
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Anyone who thinks there is a meaning to the word "free" in a compatibilist's definition of free will.
Okay, I'll bite. What does "free" mean apart from compatibilitst's definitions?
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
"The ability to do otherwise", as opposed to "the ability to do."
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Back to ability.....and animals are not free?
Injured animals are not free?
Humans lacking talent are not free?
Not having money.....enslaved?
If I decide now is a good time to eat because I'm hungry and have an appointment in half an hour that may take up much of my afternoon, have I exercised will that is "free"?
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Depends. Is there any possibility to avoid such a "decision"? Was the action necessary?
To which the answer is, there was always the possiblity to have done otherwise, and no decision of action is ever necessary.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
So, it's outside of the agent's control, meaning that regardless of the sensation of choice, there was only ever one option.
It's a scam.
I don't understand. What "scam"? What "deceit"?
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
That you have just substituted "the ability to do otherwise" with "the ability to do".