What justification can there be for the Paris massacre?

[Drolefille]

old badger, what they were shouting out is actually god is great (alah akbar) you can hear this quite clearly from the video. please don't comment any more

You're misunderstanding. Apparently one witness reported one of the gunman saying "The Prophet is Avenged" later on, badger was correcting the error.

His post is accurate. I don't know why you'd ask him not to post, or think that asking is reasonable in a public forum.

 

[Nakosis]

please note the terrorists were heard shouting 'allah akbar' after they did it! terrible so terrible

Satire of the Prophet is a great sin, which they apparently felt justified the deaths.

Beware Satire Becoming Sacrilege - Chicago Tribune

 

[Nakosis]

please note the terrorists were heard shouting 'allah akbar' after they did it! terrible so terrible

Here's a question, what if they weren't Muslims?

What if they were just people who wanted to cause an international reaction against Muslims?

 

[john2054]

have you actually watched the video?

 

[BSM1]

Can I ask what you base this on?

Sure. I do not wish to go to neither Iran nor Arkansas. (No offense to either.)

 

[Drolefille]

Sure. I do not wish to go to neither Iran nor Arkansas. (No offense to either.)

No the assumption of what is typical in a restaurant in Tehran.

 

[BSM1]

Wasn't implying what would be typical in a restaurant in Tehran, I was just saying that if someone uttered "Allahu Akbar" in an eating establishment in Iran (which is, of course, a Mideastern Islamic country) then it would be more likely that this person would be saying grace than prefacing a terrorist action.

 

[Drolefille]

Wasn't implying what would be typical in a restaurant in Tehran, I was just saying that if someone uttered "Allahu Akbar" in an eating establishment in Iran (which is, of course, a Mideastern Islamic country) then it would be more likely that this person would be saying grace than prefacing a terrorist action.

Ok. I just figured the "running into the restaurant and screaming" it part would preclude typical conversation. And vice-versa.

 

[oldbadger]

Loll
The killer did say those words.
But hey any person can say Allahu Akbar and " prophet avenged".

Iam more interested how they could get away. If it was dark i would understand. But on broad daylight?
And what imbecile forgets his ID card in the car???

Something fishy

Hi.....
That ID in the car....... huge question-marks about that....

I just watched the Brit News and see that the authorities are leaving Longport, or that was what was reported......
It's three days now...........

 

[oldbadger]

john2054 said: ↑
old badger, what they were shouting out is actually god is great (alah akbar) you can hear this quite clearly from the video. please don't comment any more

You spelt it wrong..... You couldn't even spell it!
We were not discussing that......
We were discussing one separate shout, outside the building....
Wake up!

 

[fantome profane]

Here's a question, what if they weren't Muslims?

What if they were just people who wanted to cause an international reaction against Muslims?

I think that is very unlikely. There is no history of people committing acts like this just to make Islam look bad.

But if that is the case it will be discovered when these guys are caught and put on trial.

 

[Pastek]

But if that is the case it will be discovered when these guys are caught and put on trial.

Those kind of guys don't want to be caught, they want to die.
Once you start this kind of massacre you know you have few chances to escape and they probably prefer to die than going to jail forever.
Right now they have hostages taking and i guess they'll fight until they die.

 

[john2054]

they got them. thank Allah!

 

[YmirGF]

Satire of the Prophet is a great sin, which they apparently felt justified the deaths.

Beware Satire Becoming Sacrilege - Chicago Tribune

I am always mildly nauseated when non-Muslims refer to Muhammad as "the Prophet". More correctly, Muhammad is the prophet of Islam. Nothing more.

Those kind of guys don't want to be caught, they want to die.
Once you start this kind of massacre you know you have few chances to escape and they probably prefer to die than going to jail forever.
Right now they have hostages taking and i guess they'll fight until they die.

I was trying to tell a friend this yesterday and they went on at length on how wrong I was. For the record, I agree 100% and reality would tend to lend credence to our thoughts on the matter.

 

[NulliuSINverba]

I can't think of a reason to check the calendar though

Right. Because no one yells and gets rambunctious in this country on July 4th, New Year's Eve, or Superbowl Sunday.

 

[Drolefille]

Right. Because no one yells and gets rambunctious in this country on July 4th, New Year's Eve, or Superbowl Sunday.

I've never had anyone run into a restaurant yelling on any of those days, a countdown? Sure. A cheer at the game? Well of course. And I'd expect similar during the World Cup in a sports bar or Mexican restaurant in the middle of corn fields Midwest, USA. But masked man, running into a restaurant yelling in pretty much any language? Yeah that isn't something I'll process as "Happy New Year!" It has nothing to do with whether he speaks Arabic or Mandarin or Portuguese.

 

[NulliuSINverba]

I've never had anyone run into a restaurant yelling on any of those days, a countdown? Sure. A cheer at the game? Well of course.

Therefore, it's impossible?

And I'd expect similar during the World Cup in a sports bar or Mexican restaurant in the middle of corn fields Midwest, USA. But masked man, running into a restaurant yelling in pretty much any language? Yeah that isn't something I'll process as "Happy New Year!" It has nothing to do with whether he speaks Arabic or Mandarin or Portuguese.

Your hypothetical scenario also apparently rules out emergencies. Couldn't our hypothetical masked man be bursting into our hypothetical restaurant in the dead of winter simply yelling that there'd been an accident out on the freeway?

It may very well be that you've never directly experienced such a thing, but it doesn't follow that it's impossible. I think it's an error to assume that any masked man that noisily bursts into a restaurant must be some sort of jihadist. If we're obliged to conclude that our hypothetical masked man is up to no good, isn't it much more likely that we're about to witness a robbery?

 

[Drolefille]

Therefore, it's impossible?



Your hypothetical scenario also apparently rules out emergencies. Couldn't our hypothetical masked man be bursting into our hypothetical restaurant in the dead of winter simply yelling that there'd been an accident out on the freeway?

It may very well be that you've never directly experienced such a thing, but it doesn't follow that it's impossible. I think it's an error to assume that any masked man that noisily bursts into a restaurant must be some sort of jihadist. If we're obliged to conclude that our hypothetical masked man is up to no good, isn't it much more likely that we're about to witness a robbery?

I do believe we're agreeing again. Mostly. It isn't that it is impossible, simply that in my experiences it hasn't occurred and therefore I'd interpret it differently.

That said, a masked man bursting in a restaurant and yelling in any language is a cause for alarm, what comes next depends on each person's assessment of the threat. I was arguing that there's no reason that Arabic would be more alarming than any other language I don't speak - and frankly many languages I do speak depending on what was said.