What kind of god would punish people simply for not believing?

[Tathagata]

If such an omnipresent god exists, that god would be omnipresent

So everything being of something would be a facet, creation, and reflection of this omnipresence labeled god.

Everything is a reflection of nothingness. Evolve that notion into a perceptive mind harboring self awareness and you get love and suffering.

That's all there is. So god or "everything" is itself composed of love and suffering. It's Nothings paradox that endures the very spatial patterns that our minds linguistically deconstruct as the fabric of reality.

None of this made any sense whatsoever.


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[Nerthus]

The people who complain that God is a psychopath and is evil, really have no grasp on the actual concept. Rather than finding out more, they hear one thing and jump on the bandwagon of criticising.

 

[Hawkins]

The people who complain that God is a psychopath and is evil, really have no grasp on the actual concept. Rather than finding out more, they hear one thing and jump on the bandwagon of criticising.

You pretty much sum it up. :yes:

 

[Father Heathen]

The people who complain that God is a psychopath and is evil, really have no grasp on the actual concept. Rather than finding out more, they hear one thing and jump on the bandwagon of criticising.

If the notion that god would subject people to the most horrific torture imaginable for all of eternity merely due to some petty/trivial offenses, then the logical conclusion is that such a god would indeed be an evil psychopath.

Luckily, if there were a god, I'm confident that he wouldn't be as infantile and sadistic as the ancient goat herders (who's superstitions and savagery have unfortunately been carried on into the modern world) had portrayed him to be.

 

[Hawkins]

He sets up physics laws to govern the universe. Similarly, He sets up Law to rule humans and angels. Those sinned (broke His Law) will be kept outside of Kingdom. Lucifer sinned and was driven out, Adam sinned and was driven out.

Since the fall of Adam, humans are no longer inside the Kingdom of God. They need to pass the final judgment in order to make a return. Yet they choose to decend further away from God. So if judged by Law they are pretty much dead. Jesus is thus sent and through His self-sacrificed people can thus be saved by abiding by a New Covenant, that is, to believe in Jesus Christ.

Moreover, fairness is built on Law, not Grace nor Gift. So go back to Law if you want fairness. Salvation through Jesus Christ is a Grace, it's a gift. Everyone who heard the Gospel can pick the gift. Yet those who deny God as their father will refuse to take the gift, in the end only His sons and daughters will pick the gift and be saved, as planned. :yes:

 

[Nerthus]

If the notion that god would subject people to the most horrific torture imaginable for all of eternity merely due to some petty/trivial offenses, then the logical conclusion is that such a god would indeed be an evil psychopath.

And, like I said those people have no grasp on the actual concept. Jesus did a lot when he came to earth, but people ignore that and focus on any bad they can find.

 

[Father Heathen]

He sets up physics laws to govern the universe. Similarly, He sets up Law to rule humans and angels. Those sinned (broke His Law) will be kept outside of Kingdom. Lucifer sinned and was driven out, Adam sinned and was driven out.

Since the fall of Adam, humans are no longer inside the Kingdom of God. They need to pass the final judgment in order to make a return. Yet they choose to decend further away from God. So if judged by Law they are pretty much dead. Jesus is thus sent and through His self-sacrificed people can thus be saved by abiding by a New Covenant, that is, to believe in Jesus Christ.

So god sacrificed himself to himself in order to save something he created from something he created?

Makes perfect since. Pass that collection plate this way, brother.

 

[Father Heathen]

And, like I said those people have no grasp on the actual concept. Jesus did a lot when he came to earth, but people ignore that and focus on any bad they can find.

Which particular concept are people not grasping? There are countless theological concepts originating form countless different religions, so you'll have to be more specific. Perhaps explain what exactly is inaccurate about our perceptions, and why. That would be swell.

 

[Hawkins]

So god sacrificed himself to himself in order to save something he created from something he created?

Makes perfect since. Pass that collection plate this way, brother.

He just did. If you would like to set up semantic puzzles as a stumbling block for yourself, so be it! And an artist will do the same to his precious arts if they are somehow contaminated by others (a foe).


He sets up physics laws to govern the universe. Similarly, He sets up Law to rule humans and angels. Those sinned (broke His Law) will be kept outside of Kingdom. Lucifer sinned and was driven out, Adam sinned and was driven out.

Since the fall of Adam, humans are no longer inside the Kingdom of God. They need to pass the final judgment in order to make a return. Yet they choose to decend further away from God. So if judged by Law they are pretty much dead. Jesus is thus sent and through His self-sacrificed people can thus be saved by abiding by a New Covenant, that is, to believe in Jesus Christ.

Moreover, fairness is built on Law, not Grace nor Gift. So go back to Law if you want fairness. Salvation through Jesus Christ is a Grace, it's a gift. Everyone who heard the Gospel can pick the gift. Yet those who deny God as their father will refuse to take the gift, in the end only His sons and daughters will pick the gift and be saved, as planned.

 

[Nerthus]

Which particular concept are people not grasping? There are countless theological concepts originating form countless different religions, so you'll have to be more specific. Perhaps explain what exactly is inaccurate about our perceptions, and why. That would be swell.

Perhaps read back over my last post? Says it all in that.

 

[Father Heathen]

Perhaps read back over my last post? Says it all in that.

We were discussing/debating the concept of eternal damnation, not Jesus' adventures in the mortal realm.

 

[Father Heathen]

He just did. If you would like to set up semantic puzzles as a stumbling block for yourself, so be it! And an artist will do the same to their arts if they are somehow corrupted by others.


He sets up physics laws to govern the universe. Similarly, He sets up Law to rule humans and angels. Those sinned (broke His Law) will be kept outside of Kingdom. Lucifer sinned and was driven out, Adam sinned and was driven out.

Since the fall of Adam, humans are no longer inside the Kingdom of God. They need to pass the final judgment in order to make a return. Yet they choose to decend further away from God. So if judged by Law they are pretty much dead. Jesus is thus sent and through His self-sacrificed people can thus be saved by abiding by a New Covenant, that is, to believe in Jesus Christ.

Moreover, fairness is built on Law, not Grace nor Gift. So go back to Law if you want fairness. Salvation through Jesus Christ is a Grace, it's a gift. Everyone who heard the Gospel can pick the gift. Yet those who deny God as their father will refuse to take the gift, in the end only His sons and daughters will pick the gift and be saved, as planned.

I know what the claims are. The problem lies with a lack of logical coherency.

 

[Nerthus]

We were discussing/debating the concept of eternal damnation, not Jesus' adventures in the mortal realm.

Well then don't ask me to explain on my points, if you won't listen to what I have to say

 

[Hawkins]

I know what the claims are. The problem lies with a lack of logical coherency.

Perhaps you over-estimated your so-called "logical coherency". It makes sense to Isaac Newton anyway.

 

[Father Heathen]

Well then don't ask me to explain on my points, if you won't listen to what I have to say

Sorry, but "god wants to torture you for all eternity, but he's actually not a bad guy considering he committed pretend suicide, thus is willing to let you avoid hell if you promise to suck he toes for all eternity" isn't a sufficient answer.

 

[Hawkins]

Sorry, but "god wants to torture you for eternity, but he's actually not a bad guy considering he committed pretend suicide, thus is willing to let you avoid hell if you promise to suck he toes for all eternity" isn't a sufficient answer.

So is Hitler an evil guy when he was 10~18 years old?

What would happen in a separation from God?

Perhaps they are no longer humans but monsters when burnt.

 

[Nerthus]

Sorry, but "god wants to torture you for all eternity, but he's actually not a bad guy considering he committed pretend suicide, thus is willing to let you avoid hell if you promise to suck he toes for all eternity" isn't a sufficient answer.

A perfect example of what I have been saying Thank you.

 

[Misty]

The people who complain that God is a psychopath and is evil, really have no grasp on the actual concept. Rather than finding out more, they hear one thing and jump on the bandwagon of criticising.

I have heard it all, enough to last a lifetime and all eternity!

 

[Father Heathen]

So is Hitler an evil guy when he was 10~18 years old?

What sort of analogy or correlation are you trying to draw?

What would happen in a separation from God?

What happens when an unstoppable force hits an immovable object?

Perhaps they are no longer humans but monsters when burnt.

What makes a monster?

 

[Nerthus]

I have heard it all, enough to last a lifetime and all eternity!

So what is your reason for the posts you make?

If you no longer believe - that is your choice. It seems that your posts reflect anger within yourself, that you are projecting on to Christians who still have faith.

People complain that Christians, for example, try and force their believes onto others, yet no one says anything about those who criticise and insult God and His followers