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What makes Putin tick:

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
An American who is crossing the ocean to kill Russian soldiers?
He's one of many.
(He has friends there in danger from the invasion.)
Russian soldiers invading Ukraine really need to die.
That's how one defends one's country against them.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Just so you know. The support in Italy for NATO is 60% ..higher than Germany and France even before this invasion. The posts here are not reliable guide to what Italian people really believe in any way shape or form.
NATO Viewed Favorably Across Member States
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Further the love affair of Italy with Russia was more restricted among the political elites rather than the public in Italy who believed that NATO and EU should actively intervene if Russia invades Ukraine. The current situation is forcing the political parties in Italy to also break ties with Russia (and their corrupt oligarchs) under public pressure.
Italy’s challenging divorce from Russia
I'm just going with the poster's claims
into a reductio absurdum direction.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
He's one of many.
(He has friends there in danger from the invasion.)
Russian soldiers invading Ukraine really need to die.
That's how one defends one's country against them.

I don't feel represented by a Prime Minister/former Goldman Sachs banker.
Who has been defined "vile businessman" by president Cossiga.

As far as I heard, the army is not happy with these decisions .
They wont let anyone drag them into a war, surely.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
He's one of many.
(He has friends there in danger from the invasion.)
Russian soldiers invading Ukraine really need to die.
That's how one defends one's country against them.

Americans are free to do whatever they want to.
As long as they dont involve other countries.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I don't feel represented by a Prime Minister/former Goldman Sachs banker.
Who has been defined "vile businessman" by president Cossiga. .
You might have to have a referendum to secede from Italy.
Or stage a coup for regime change. Then you could have
a more pro-Russian pro-Putin government, & get out of NATO.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
Italians still have long term memory.
They havent lost it.
Recalling what NATO made up to justify the intervention in Libya, NATO is as credible as a 30 dollar bill.
And this without mentioning Tonkin incident...and all the pretexts WA DC has set up to start a war, in history.
Gaddafi lost the plot. I think maybe some Italians have something wrong with their memories. The Libyans, themselves, were fed up with him.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Gaddafi lost the plot. I think maybe some Italians have something wrong with their memories. The Libyans, themselves, were fed up with him.

Let's say the truth.
The Salafist countries could not tolerate a modern, wealthy Arab country.
They had to undo it, as they did in Syria.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
Let's say the truth..
I won't get my truth from the likes of you .. your political allegiances are highly questionable.
You remind me of those Italians who supported Hitler, and defended him as "he is a Christian" and so forth.

Wake up mate. There is no need to support Putin, just because you don't agree with US. That is a very bad reason .. no good can come out of it.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I won't get my truth from the likes of you .. your political allegiances are highly questionable.
You remind me of those Italians who supported Hitler, and defended him as "he is a Christian" and so forth.

Wake up mate. There is no need to support Putin, just because you don't agree with US. That is a very bad reason .. no good can come out of it.
I know everything about Libya. It was a former colony of my country.
We gained Libyans' trust, because unlike the British Empire, we did not impose our language to them.
Arabic was the language used, even back then.

So...the NATO made a big mistake, by destroying that beautiful country.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
No, absolutely not.
I am 100% against any war. And will not support this military mission, as Putin calls it.
It's a "special military operation".
But wouldn't your compatriots be able to help stop
the Nazi genocide of Russian speakers in Ukraine?
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
It's a "special military operation".
But wouldn't your compatriots be able to help stop
the Nazi genocide of Russian speakers in Ukraine?

It is uncostitutional. They cannot.
I can point it out it any penal court.

There are other civilized methods to solve this issue. Other than war. Diplomacy. Negotiations.

Unlike the US, I am against siding in a war with either
 
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