What makes you think Islam is a false religion?

[Truth_Faith13]

Sorry, but i forgot to notice that its always muslims extremist that blow things up. im not going to turn on ITV and it says, breaking news, a christian extremist has just blew up a church.

And dont use your jesus phrases on me!

Hmmm.....havent you ever heard of the political war in Ireland between Catholics and Protestants! Turn on the TV here and its breaking news - another kid just got stabbed! and guess what it was a WHITE thug who happens to be an atheist probably! There is bad people everywhere, no matter what ethnicity, religion or what!

 

[Im an Atheist]

First of all, The Catholics and Protisants are over, and....

This is about religion, Not thugs that got stabbed, i live in a very run down area like that, i dont need to be told again what goes on outside.

And its about Islam, that why im maybe only targeting Muslim extremists

Write back, dream angel =]

 

[Truth_Faith13]

First of all, The Catholics and Protisants are over, and....

This is about religion, Not thugs that got stabbed, i live in a very run down area like that, i dont need to be told again what goes on outside.

And its about Islam, that why im maybe only targeting Muslim extremists

Write back, dream angel =]

My point was there is a big difference between the religion and the culture. The RELIGION which is being discussed here does not actually tell them to go and blow up buildings! I suppose you could say it is like fraud in a way. People taking their identity. Its is the PEOPLE who are bad, NOT the religion. So you cannot use that as an excuse for believing that Islam is false. Islam is actually a very good religion!

 

[Im an Atheist]

But like thats like saying...


yeah we have a gang, the leader stabbed someone, but the rest just kicked him so they will be let off.


What im trying to say is religions creates war unfortunately, and thats what i dont like, because i dont agree with wars unless its stopping a possible invasion

 

[Right_Path]

I think islam is a false religion becuase you have "Muslim Extremists"

Dont call me racist now, becuase im not.

But personally the prics go round spreading hate and blowing up buildings and innocent people.

Why do they do this?, "For their God"

You are NOT a racist, there are extremists, who spread hate and kill inncoent people.

But as a Musilm,I can assure you that these are so-called Muslims.

A Musilm is never allowed to kill innocent people, even at the time of war...killing women, old men and children is strictly prohibited.

I am afraid to say that US media also has its role in convincing people that Muslims are behind every terrorist operation.

But i thought that all religions promoted peace and well being, im still to come across a religion which says kill other people now or your will not be allowed into heaven

This subject has been discussed over and over...This is completely wrong, our religion never tells us to kill in order to go to heaven.

Islam emerged some 1400 years ago, yet flying into buildings and killing indiscriminintly have been introduced throughout the past few decades...so it is all politics believe me.

 

[Truth_Faith13]

But like thats like saying...


yeah we have a gang, the leader stabbed someone, but the rest just kicked him so they will be let off.


What im trying to say is religions creates war unfortunately, and thats what i dont like, because i dont agree with wars unless its stopping a possible invasion

But that analogy doesnt actually work! Religion doesnt create war, the people create war! The PEOPLE!!!! Its like the difference between the knife in the hands of a surgeon and a knife in the hands of a criminal. It depends on the PERSON!!!!

 

[stacey bo bacey]

Would i be safe to say that you didn't decide one day to just leave all these beliefs behind, but, all what happened was that it was getting out of your way one after another automatically the more you think and question it?

Then at the end, you found yourself outside that circle even though you kept pushing yourself to go back inside?

Yes, this did not happen all in one day. It actually took a couple of years of thinking about it, questioning it, putting it on the back burner for awhile and coming back to it hoping to get another perspective, etc...

Like I said, I didn't want this at first. And it wasn't even like I found an answer. I consider myself an atheist but again nothing is 100%. But what I believe is there is no god.




Ok and sidenote: How come it's a celebration when one comes around to a certain faith (like the thread for fullyveiledmuslimah and mohammed something)? Yet when I reach a conclusion that fully satisfies me, but it's not what people of faith want to hear, it is some kind if testament to my lack of trying or substance as a human being?

 

[Im an Atheist]

Yes, this did not happen all in one day. It actually took a couple of years of thinking about it, questioning it, putting it on the back burner for awhile and coming back to it hoping to get another perspective, etc...

Like I said, I didn't want this at first. And it wasn't even like I found an answer. I consider myself an atheist but again nothing is 100%. But what I believe is there is no god.




Ok and sidenote: How come it's a celebration when one comes around to a certain faith (like the thread for fullyveiledmuslimah and mohammed something)? Yet when I reach a conclusion that fully satisfies me, but it's not what people of faith want to hear, it is some kind if testament to my lack of trying or substance as a human being?

i completely agree stacey, thats all it is at the end of the day, its as if atheists are just shunned to the side

 

[stacey bo bacey]

This can't be right either....if you WANTED to believe in God, he will guide you towards his path.

I'm afradi to tell you that your faith was not complete...because complete faith will answer any 'question' you had.

Mmm...no. Sorry, that's not right. And I don't appreciate you telling me that I didn't want to believe enough. Also, even though I don't believe anymore, it is greatly insulting for you to suggest that I did not believe and love god as I knew him with all of my heart, mind & soul.

And no, having complete faith means being blind to other possibilities. Complete faith will not answer all questions; it will fabricate a lie for those things you can't realistically explain.

Dude, I have seen both sides. I know what it's like to have complete faith and to, now, see that all of this is rubbish (my opinion). So don't try to have some perspective that you can't possibly have.

 

[kai]

Yes, this did not happen all in one day. It actually took a couple of years of thinking about it, questioning it, putting it on the back burner for awhile and coming back to it hoping to get another perspective, etc...

Like I said, I didn't want this at first. And it wasn't even like I found an answer. I consider myself an atheist but again nothing is 100%. But what I believe is there is no god.




Ok and sidenote: How come it's a celebration when one comes around to a certain faith (like the thread for fullyveiledmuslimah and mohammed something)? Yet when I reach a conclusion that fully satisfies me, but it's not what people of faith want to hear, it is some kind if testament to my lack of trying or substance as a human being?

in that case congratulations for coming into the light , and leaving your ancient baggage behind, now you can spread your wings and fly, without looking over your shoulder ,bowing down on your knees ,or feeling guilty due to the celestial overlord.

welcome to the real world Stacey enjoy it for what it is.

 

[stacey bo bacey]

in that case congratulations for coming into the light , and leaving your ancient baggage behind, now you can spread your wings and fly, without looking over your shoulder ,bowing down on your knees ,or feeling guilty due to the celestial overlord.

welcome to the real world Stacey enjoy it for what it is.

Thanks, man! I feel so free now, it's awesome!


And.....
The usual response I get from religious people to my saying "I feel free now" is "yea that's because you don't have to abide by any standard now" or something else implying that I can just live a life of crime or "sin" or unlawfulness. As if I wanted to do that anyway?? Uhhhhh no?? Having religion does not always equal having a good moral compass. I still live life by standards, but they're MY standards...and they are very high. I'm a good person. So I still answer to someone--myself. And that is just as powerful as any god they answer to.

 

[YmirGF]

Ok and sidenote: How come it's a celebration when one comes around to a certain faith (like the thread for fullyveiledmuslimah and mohammed something)? Yet when I reach a conclusion that fully satisfies me, but it's not what people of faith want to hear, it is some kind if testament to my lack of trying or substance as a human being?

Well, this old Frost giant welcomes you back to reality, Stacey bo bacey banana bana fo facey... What you did is the hardest thing to do, to decide to go it alone without an invisible friend to guide you. That takes some kind of real courage in my books. Frankly, it is a testament to your intelligence and compassion for yourself. It almost reminds me of that kid's story, "The little train that could". I wish religious folks could appreciate how liberating it is to not feel a need for god....

This thread serves as proof that Islam is many things, but nowhere near being as "true" as its followers wish to believe.

 

[tariqkhwaja]

Thanks, man! I feel so free now, it's awesome!


And.....
The usual response I get from religious people to my saying "I feel free now" is "yea that's because you don't have to abide by any standard now" or something else implying that I can just live a life of crime or "sin" or unlawfulness. As if I wanted to do that anyway?? Uhhhhh no?? Having religion does not always equal having a good moral compass. I still live life by standards, but they're MY standards...and they are very high. I'm a good person. So I still answer to someone--myself. And that is just as powerful as any god they answer to.

You feel free, eh? You feel like ... erm ... you have freedom of choice now? Maybe?

In any case, depending on self-standards might be well and good in your case but by and large self-standards are a quite low. Lack of absolute accountability would leave mankind nowhere. And lack of absolute accountability, stacey, leaves no room for morality. Which is why I have always said that in theory, Athiesm leaves no room for morality.

Lastly, your claim that you feel free? Tell me how you would feel landing in a jungle without a map. I suppose that, too, is freedom isn't it?

YMir ... nuclear please

 

[Truth_Faith13]

Well, this old Frost giant welcomes you back to reality, Stacey bo bacey banana bana fo facey... What you did is the hardest thing to do, to decide to go it alone without an invisible friend to guide you. That takes some kind of real courage in my books. Frankly, it is a testament to your intelligence and compassion for yourself. It almost reminds me of that kid's story, "The little train that could". I wish religious folks could appreciate how liberating it is to not feel a need for god....

This thread serves as proof that Islam is many things, but nowhere near being as "true" as its followers wish to believe.

Why do atheists or people who not believe in Islam, Christianity etc believe that anyone who believes in a God or something supernatural are weak, with low self esteem and are not free??? and apparently not intelligent??? I can assure you I am neither of those - in fact I am quite the opposite. My Mum thinks I am little bit too head strong sometimes.....

 

[LuisDantas]

Why do atheists or people who not believe in Islam, Christianity etc believe that anyone who believes in a God or something supernatural are weak, with low self esteem and are not free??? and apparently not intelligent???

We don't always, but of course it makes more of an impression when we do. Does not make it right, either.

 

[Caladan]

tariqk said:

In any case, depending on self-standards might be well and good in your case but by and large self-standards are a quite low. Lack of absolute accountability would leave mankind nowhere. And lack of absolute accountability, stacey, leaves no room for morality. Which is why I have always said that in theory, Athiesm leaves no room for morality.

all the atheists and secular people in my life (practically all people in my life) apply very high standards for themselves, they are accomplished people.
you talk about absolute accountability.. such as lashing an adulteress? or hanging a gay boy? is this the morality we should think of when we hear the word *absolute*?
in PRACTICE many Atheists have achieved a universe of accomplishments, religious morality in practice has been atrocial in many instances. let me ask you, why does no Islamic nation practice a full Sharia law? because even the most extreme regimes, such as the one in Iran know its IMPOSSIBLE to run a country in our world by these standards.

 

[Caladan]

"At least in popular parlance, what makes religious folks religious today is not so much that they believe in Jesus' divinity or Buddhism's Four Noble Truths but that they hold certain moral positions on bedroom issues such as premarital sex, homosexuality, and abortion." -Stephen Prothero

 

[kai]

Why do atheists or people who not believe in Islam, Christianity etc believe that anyone who believes in a God or something supernatural are weak, with low self esteem and are not free??? and apparently not intelligent??? I can assure you I am neither of those - in fact I am quite the opposite. My Mum thinks I am little bit too head strong sometimes.....

what makes you think they do think that! and what makes you think they are all the same? these Atheists

 

[LuisDantas]

Is it really true that I must either accept Islam or reject it? How usual is for Muslims to think along these terms?

 

[Truth_Faith13]

what makes you think they do think that! and what makes you think they are all the same? these Atheists

I dont think they are all the same....most of my closest friends are atheists and they are not as narrowminded as some atheists. They will openly talk about religion in a nice manner and see the good points in any religion. I think that because of the post I quoted and also from what I have seen in other posts on this forum!