What makes your God a God?

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

Of course Moses went up in the mountains out of sight, and came back down with the ' 'god' written ten commandents on stone tablets as the tale is told.

Stone was likely hyperbole. He could have connected with god and written these

 

[blü 2]

Agree. Now, the collective unconscious is God. Would you agree?

I don't have any reason to think my non-conscious mind is "collective". Rather, on all the evidence available to me, I think it's the product of the biology and bioelectricity of my evolved functioning brain.

Nor have I any reason to think that "God" denotes an entity with objective existence ie can be found in the world external to me. As far as I can tell, God only exists as a concept / notion / thing imagined in individual brains.

By now you may have guessed that I'm a materialist, to which I can add that theologically I'm an igtheist aka ignostic.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

We may be at some variance with definitions here.

I'm aware from my own reflections about myself, some of them stimulated by reading about the results of scientific experiments, that the non-conscious part of my brain does the lion's share of the heavy lifting, and is inclined to tell the conscious-of-self me afterwards, rather than during.

One easy example is speaking, where we utter words formed very usually without conscious thought, and mediated only via our forebrain's censor. This is what inspired Auden to say, "How do I know what I think till I hear what I say?" But others are illustrated by those well-reported experiments around 2010 showing that the brain had made a particular kind of decision and started to act on it up to ten seconds before the conscious mind was aware that that it had so decided. And I'm sure there are many more examples ─ waking dreams where you may have some kind of input into the dream, for instance.

Well, a word is true as given by its defintion, because that is words work. In effect if the defintion of the universe is that is physical, then it is true that the universe is physical.
BTW that is also how this defintion work and how it is true. God as per one definition: the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

That is how defintions and axioms work. They make it true objectively as an objective fact. By defintion the word blü 2 is an evil human.
And the axiom is that I am rational and you are not.

 

[blü 2]

Well, a word is true as given by its defintion, because that is words work. In effect if the defintion of the universe is that is physical, then it is true that the universe is physical.
BTW that is also how this defintion work and how it is true. God as per one definition: the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.

That is how defintions and axioms work. They make it true objectively as an objective fact. By defintion the word blü 2 is an evil human.
And the axiom is that I am rational and you are not.

But of course just because a thing has a name doesn't make it real. And in the case of God, there's no definition that I've found which is appropriate to an entity with objective existence.

And I'd say that if X doesn't have objective existence then the only manner of existing that X has is as a concept, notion, thing imagined in an individual brain.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

But of course just because a thing has a name doesn't make it real. And in the case of God, there's no definition that I've found which is appropriate to an entity with objective existence.

And I'd say that if X doesn't have objective existence then the only manner of existing that X has is as a concept, notion, thing imagined in an individual brain.

Yeah and the axiom that objective reality is real, doesn't make it a fact that objective reality is real. That is so for all your axioms. They are not facts and what you arrive at cognitively using axioms are not facts.
That is not unique to relgion, so you live in your mind just as the rest of us and you are not special. And neither am I.

But here is the correct axiom: I am rational and anyone thinking/feeling differently are irrational. That is now a fact and a part of objective reality, because that is a part of being rational, because I say so.
This is such fun, but you don't get that the joke is on us both, because you are special, right?!!

 

[Tomef]

I’d have to say a lack of physical attributes, as it permeates infinite space. Some of the things in space have physical qualities but on the whole my God is beyond physical.

I don’t have one (I do have 3 dogs however), but control of the weather seems to be a common theme, as do exercising wrath and compassion, by turns. Also things like being mysterious, ineffable, inscrutable even. I suppose those qualities obviate the need to settle on some kind of concrete definition.

 

[1213]

Well if a Bible poofed out of thin air in front of people, I'd be impressed.

To me the content is more important than how it appeared. I don't think humans could have made it without God.

 

[blü 2]

Yeah and the axiom that objective reality is real, doesn't make it a fact that objective reality is real. That is so for all your axioms. They are not facts and what you arrive at cognitively using axioms are not facts.

But you obviously think they are. Otherwise your posting on RF is inexplicable.

 

[blü 2]

Yeah and the axiom that objective reality is real, doesn't make it a fact that objective reality is real. That is so for all your axioms. They are not facts and what you arrive at cognitively using axioms are not facts.

But you obviously think they are. Otherwise your posting on RF is inexplicable.

 

[blü 2]

Yeah and the axiom that objective reality is real, doesn't make it a fact that objective reality is real. That is so for all your axioms. They are not facts and what you arrive at cognitively using axioms are not facts.

But you obviously think they are. Otherwise your posting on RF is inexplicable.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

But you obviously think they are. Otherwise your posting on RF is inexplicable.

But it doesn't make them true. If that was the case, then Gid would exists.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

But you obviously think they are. Otherwise your posting on RF is inexplicable.

As above.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

But you obviously think they are. Otherwise your posting on RF is inexplicable.

As above.

 

[blü 2]

As above.

As above.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

As above.

Funny. I think the fourum is acting funny.
Bit that I believe this is real, doesn't by believing that cause it to be real. That would be magical thinking and if that works, God exist. But you wouldn't accept that.

 

[Kathryn]

Well, for starters, my God is omnicient.

 

[Spice]

Funny. I think the fourum is acting funny.
Bit that I believe this is real, doesn't by believing that cause it to be real. That would be magical thinking and if that works, God exist. But you wouldn't accept that.

The server has gone loco....

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

But you obviously think they are. Otherwise your posting on RF is inexplicable.

I type this post, therefore I am.

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

But you obviously think they are. Otherwise your posting on RF is inexplicable.

I type this post, therefore I am.

 

[blü 2]

Well, for starters, my God is omnicient.

By what process did your God determine that there's nothing [he] doesn't know [he] doesn't know?