What Right Has God To Judge Us?

[w00t]

The God of the Bible has blood on his hands if all that is attributed to the deity is true. Not even the worst of humans has committed as many vile crimes as God!

God had a hissy fit one day because some folk didn't believe in him, and decided to 'drown' the world, only saving his sycophant Noah, his family and pairs of all the animals in the world! What a despicable crime! Even if all the humans were guilty of anything, what about the animals?

If we take the Bible as literally true then God has absolutely no moral high ground at all and has no right to judge any of us!

 

[porkchop]

The God of the Bible has blood on his hands if all that is attributed to the deity is true. Not even the worst of humans has committed as many vile crimes as God!

God had a hissy fit one day because some folk didn't believe in him, and decided to 'drown' the world, only saving his sycophant Noah, his family and pairs of all the animals in the world! What a despicable crime! Even if all the humans were guilty of anything, what about the animals?

If we take the Bible as literally true then God has absolutely no moral high ground at all and has no right to judge any of us!

:biglaugh::biglaugh:Ah, thats funny, really, so funny!!!!!!!!!!!
You are kidding, right??

 

[doppelganger]

"God" has as much right as we allow by our own judgment of ourselves and others.

 

[Buttercup]

The God of the Bible has blood on his hands if all that is attributed to the deity is true. Not even the worst of humans has committed as many vile crimes as God!

God had a hissy fit one day because some folk didn't believe in him, and decided to 'drown' the world, only saving his sycophant Noah, his family and pairs of all the animals in the world! What a despicable crime! Even if all the humans were guilty of anything, what about the animals?

If we take the Bible as literally true then God has absolutely no moral high ground at all and has no right to judge any of us!

I agree completely! And this is one of zillions of reasons I left Christianity after over 25 years! A loving God? Psssssh, yeah right!

 

[w00t]

:biglaugh::biglaugh:Ah, thats funny, really, so funny!!!!!!!!!!!
You are kidding, right??

No I am deadly serious!

 

[Kcnorwood]

I've never though the God of the bible was very loving but most here do not take the bible at face vaule.

 

[porkchop]

No I am deadly serious!

Shouldnt you take the "christian" from your title "christian agnostic" if you feel that strongly bout it?

 

[w00t]

I've never though the God of the bible was very loving but most here do not take the bible at face vaule.

No I don't either, but many fundamentalist Christians seem to think God inspired every word of it. They make so many excuses for God's apparent despicable behaviour!

 

[porkchop]

I've never though the God of the bible was very loving but most here do not take the bible at face vaule.

Not very loving?? I guess dying for you isnt enough, maybe a bunch of flowers would have been more loving for you, eh?
If you have read the Bible you do not understand it. If your mum/dad ever punished you for something you did wrong was it because they didnt love you? If a person goes to prison for breaking the law, is that not justice??
Simple logic hear, people, please!:cover:

 

[Comprehend]

God has every right as our creator and our God. The real issue shouldn't be what God's rights are but whether you will or will not be judged. If you aren't going to be judged, then your question doesn't matter. If you are, then your question doesn't matter.

 

[w00t]

God's punishments are way over the top! If the world really needed saving, and that is debateable, what sort of loving God had his only son killed?

 

[Buttercup]

A loving God doesn't send a person to hell for all eternity with no absolute proof of his existence. Somebody give me a good explanation as to how that's loving.

 

[Sunstone]

The morals of the Old Testament deity are, at best, primitive.

 

[Comprehend]

The morals of the Old Testament deity are, at best, primitive.

The morals of the OT are Justice without mercy and that was what was required before the Atonement, justice must be satisfied. After the Atonement, God was able to show mercy, that is why Jesus gave a new law. Through the Atonement Jesus satisfied the demands of justice and allowed for God to be just while showing mercy.

Thus, an "eye for an eye" could be exchanged for "turn the other cheek" and God could remain perfectly just.

 

[Comprehend]

A loving God doesn't send a person to hell for all eternity with no absolute proof of his existence. Somebody give me a good explanation as to how that's loving.

Easy, that isn't what happens.

The only way one can go to hell is if they have perfect knowledge of God's existance and then deny it. Everyone else automatically goes to some part of heaven.

 

[Comprehend]

God's punishments are way over the top! If the world really needed saving, and that is debateable, what sort of loving God had his only son killed?

God didn't have his son killed. Jesus volunteered and if you continued reading after Jesus died, you would notice he was resurrected and lives today.

 

[Buttercup]

Easy, that isn't what happens.

I know, you're one of those benevolent Mormons.

The only way one can go to hell is if they have perfect knowledge of God's existance and then deny it. Everyone else automatically goes to some part of heaven.

How could a person have "perfect knowledge of God's existence" when we never get to meet him? Don't say the holy spirit because the holy spirit sounds just like me and is helping to convince me there is no God.

 

[Aqualung]

How could a person have "perfect knowledge of God's existence" when we never get to meet him? Don't say the holy spirit because the holy spirit sounds just like me and is helping to convince me there is no God.

Why do you automatically exclude meeting him? Some people have been able to meet him, like Moses and Joseph Smith.

 

[Buttercup]

Why do you automatically exclude meeting him? Some people have been able to meet him, like Moses and Joseph Smith.

That's too exclusive a club for me. Guess I'm not good enough.

 

[Comprehend]

I know, you're one of those benevolent Mormons.
How could a person have "perfect knowledge of God's existence" when we never get to meet him? Don't say the holy spirit because the holy spirit sounds just like me and is helping to convince me there is no God.

thanks. I knew you were talking about MSC theology and not mormon theology but I thought I would remind people that not all christians think you will burn in hell.

um. to answer your question, you gain knowledge about God bit by bit (yes, from the holy spirit) until you know God. Now that isn't to say that you know everything about God but rather that you know perfectly that he is (exists etc).

The reason why denying the holy spirit (we say 'holy ghost') is unpardonable. Because when the HS has told you it is true, you KNOW, there is no doubt and so if one still deny it, one is saying "I don't care that I know God is, I still deny him."

NOW, I know you said not to say the holy spirit tells us, but I don't know what to do when that is the method. However the HS is the middle step, it actually works like this:

1. Faith that God exists.
2. HS confirms that God exists.
3. HS guides you and teaches you.
4. God confirms God exists.

Number 4 usually will happen after one dies but there are many who experience number 4 here on earth. So we will all get to meet him but we must be obedient and faithful first, when God knows (and we know) that we will obey whatever he asks, then we can see God.

Anyway, I am sure that is more than you wanted to hear for such a short question.