What Right Has God To Judge Us?

[Darkness]

You mean, I'm supposed to give you an enlightened set of arguments that I have conjured up during my 24 years on this earth and then, *POOF*, you're a theist? I guess we can play the game of me giving you the reasons I believe and then you refuting them but I found pretty quickly that it'll get us nowhere. Anyway, the OP is discussing whether or not God has the right to judge us and not his existence.

Your silence condemns you. It should be easy, since I am delusional.

 

[Reverend Rick]

The God of the Bible has blood on his hands if all that is attributed to the deity is true. Not even the worst of humans has committed as many vile crimes as God!

God had a hissy fit one day because some folk didn't believe in him, and decided to 'drown' the world, only saving his sycophant Noah, his family and pairs of all the animals in the world! What a despicable crime! Even if all the humans were guilty of anything, what about the animals?

If we take the Bible as literally true then God has absolutely no moral high ground at all and has no right to judge any of us!

So you believe there is a God?

 

[Ringer]

Your silence condemns you. It should be easy, since I am delusional.

I'm pretty sure I haven't been silent on the subject. In fact, you're the one I've responded to the most in regards to this off-hand topic

 

[Azakel]

Okay so then, what right does your God(the Christian God, or what have you) the right to Judge me. I don't believe he is the one true God, me experiences being me to beleave he has no right. But me Gods do, and I am judged good in there eye. But you not so much, but then again they have no right really to judge you ^_^ see what I mean.

 

[Popeyesays]

Okay so then, what right does your God(the Christian God, or what have you) the right to Judge me. I don't believe he is the one true God, me experiences being me to beleave he has no right. But me Gods do, and I am judged good in there eye. But you not so much, but then again they have no right really to judge you ^_^ see what I mean.

I'm going to quote a common prayer for times of difficulty, then comment and draw a conclusion as to what it means:

"Is there any Remover of difficulties save God? Say: Praised be God! He is God! All are His servants, and all abide by His bidding!"
- The Báb 28
(Compilations, Baha'i Prayers, p. 27)

The upshot of this concept is that it does not matter if you acknowledge yourself as a servant of God, you are anyway. You have no choice but to be judged by God, it is a condition of your creation.

Where's the justice in that? If EVERY single soul faces the same obligations and conditions it is ultimately justice because no one receives special treatment.

As the Qur'an says He brings us all to life, and slays us each and every one.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Azakel]

I'm going to quote a common prayer for times of difficulty, then comment and draw a conclusion as to what it means:

"Is there any Remover of difficulties save God? Say: Praised be God! He is God! All are His servants, and all abide by His bidding!"
- The Báb 28
(Compilations, Baha'i Prayers, p. 27)

The upshot of this concept is that it does not matter if you acknowledge yourself as a servant of God, you are anyway. You have no choice but to be judged by God, it is a condition of your creation.

Where's the justice in that? If EVERY single soul faces the same obligations and conditions it is ultimately justice because no one receives special treatment.

As the Qur'an says He brings us all to life, and slays us each and every one.

Regards,
Scott

Really, I can only really say the same thing, he is your God not my God, he is not the Ultimate one true God, so he can't, or has no right to judge me. I'm sorry I can't see or believe that way, it makes no sense to me. At all. ^_^

 

[Popeyesays]

Really, I can only really say the same thing, he is your God not my God, he is not the Ultimate one true God, so he can't, or has no right to judge me. I'm sorry I can't see or believe that way, it makes no sense to me. At all. ^_^

It is not necessary that you see things my way. We'll find out the truth someday or we will die and oblivion will takes us. In the meantime we beat our gums.

Regards,
Scott

 

[MoonWater]

Think of it this way. If a man were to kill a child he would be considered a monster and thrown in jail or perhaps even executed. And that's just one child. Yet according to the bible God killed all the first born children of Egypt. If a man were to tell you to sacrifice your only son in his name you would throw him in an insane asylum. But in the bible God tells abraham to sacrifice his only son. The God of the bible commits numerous acts that, if they were to be done by a human, that human would have been labeled as a monster, arrested, executed, or at least banished. Why should God be able to do these deeds and yet be praised and worshipped when any human who does them is reviled and feared?

 

[wizanda]

God is the 13th dimension, you exist as a 6/7 dimensional being..... so what right do you have to Judge God, when it is us causing these atrocities………… if God so wished that is all there would be, heaven and God....

 

[w00t]

God is the 13th dimension, you exist as a 6/7 dimensional being..... so what right do you have to Judge God, when it is us causing these atrocities………… if God so wished that is all there would be, heaven and God....

13th 6/7 dimensions ehhhhhh????

 

[wizanda]

1 = single quantum strand....take 6 of those to make matter....add vibration (7) which is a gift from above, as string theory now sort of understands.....well up to 6 and then guessed to see heaven (11)....parallel universe - Horizon (BBC) documentary elaborates on a bit more.....
Saw it in my NDE and so realized its the commandments transcended from the poor translation Moses made from them.

 

[Popeyesays]

I would point out that Abraham was ASKED to sacrifice His son, but God told Abraham it was no necessary to carry it through.

My belief is that the Plagues of Egypt were natural events, and death by disease is not at the hands of God. Perhaps the Hebrews did not eat what the Egyptians ate, or practice some unlceanliness that kept them safe from the plague.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Sonic247]

I don't know if you realize this but we are nothing to God, do you think he is threatened by the dust and ashes he gave life or that your word will mean anything to you in the grave? Your wrath is against God, why shouldn't his wrath be against you. If you think the human race is more just then God then why did they not take the chance to show it, he became a man like us, In Jesus we can see most clearly what God is like (you are saying he was an evil person), they crucified him though.

 

[Popeyesays]

I don't know if you realize this but we are nothing to God, do you think he is threatened by the dust and ashes he gave life or that your word will mean anything to you in the grave? Your wrath is against God, why shouldn't his wrath be against you. If you think the human race is more just then God then why did they not take the chance to show it, he became a man like us, In Jesus we can see most clearly what God is like (you are saying he was an evil person), they crucified him though.

I think that is overstatement.

We are not "nothing" to God or we would never have been created.

Now I agree that our existence or lack thereof has no effect upon God. After all, we are contingent upon His creation for our existence, and He is not contingent upon anything for His existence. But if He had not had His love for our creation in mind, He never would have started the whole "Bang".

"3. O SON OF MAN!
Veiled in My immemorial being and in the ancient eternity of My essence, I knew My love for thee; therefore I created thee, have engraved on thee Mine image and revealed to thee My beauty.
4. O SON OF MAN!
I loved thy creation, hence I created thee. Wherefore, do thou love Me, that I may name thy name and fill thy soul with the spirit of life.
5. O SON OF BEING!
Love Me, that I may love thee. If thou lovest Me not, My love can in no wise reach thee. Know this, O servant."
(Baha'u'llah, The Arabic Hidden Words)

Regards,
Scott

 

[ChristineES]

I will restate what the religious people and I have said-- God has every right to judge us. He created us. If a person does not believe in Him, then I doubt they are even able to understand that fact.
There are a lot of things that I don't believe in and don't understand and I don't pretend as though I do.

If I am wrong in my assessment, then it is between God and myself.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

The God of the Bible has blood on his hands if all that is attributed to the deity is true. Not even the worst of humans has committed as many vile crimes as God!

God had a hissy fit one day because some folk didn't believe in him, and decided to 'drown' the world, only saving his sycophant Noah, his family and pairs of all the animals in the world! What a despicable crime! Even if all the humans were guilty of anything, what about the animals?

If we take the Bible as literally true then God has absolutely no moral high ground at all and has no right to judge any of us!

Perhaps an more complete understanding of scripture would clear up these misperceptions you cling to. Yet I believe you really don't want to let them go.

 

[doppelganger]

Perhaps an more complete understanding of scripture would clear up these misperceptions you cling to. Yet I believe you really don't want to let them go.

You mean your understanding of scripture. One can justify just about anything by way of Scripture.

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

God's allowed to judge everyone, because he's the only one who can judge fairly. The Bible tells me so!

 

[w00t]

God's allowed to judge everyone, because he's the only one who can judge fairly. The Bible tells me so!

 

[sandy whitelinger]

You mean your understanding of scripture. One can justify just about anything by way of Scripture.

The Bible is more straightforward than you think.