What Right Has God To Judge Us?

[ChristineES]

The stories aren't really all that different than life today. There were wars then, there are wars now, there is bloodshed then, there is blood shed now. Sometimes I think people put on God for what men have done, even in the bible. No one wants to say that, I didn't for the longest time, but I think now is the time. Yes, I still think the Bible is inspired by God-- but there is men's input into the way things went. Yeshua (Jesus) comes across as the God in the OT in certain places, but certainly not all places. Jesus himself said "that circumcision was started not by Moses but of the fathers" (John Chapter 7 verse 22). If you read between the lines, you may find out what is really being said.

One thing I always say about the Bible-- Read entire stories, entire chapters, entire books, not just parts of it-- because if you do so it may have a different meaning than what was met.

 

[w00t]

The stories aren't really all that different than life today. There were wars then, there are wars now, there is bloodshed then, there is blood shed now. Sometimes I think people put on God for what men have done, even in the bible. No one wants to say that, I didn't for the longest time, but I think now is the time. Yes, I still think the Bible is inspired by God-- but there is men's input into the way things went. Yeshua (Jesus) comes across as the God in the OT in certain places, but certainly not all places. Jesus himself said "that circumcision was started not by Moses but of the fathers" (John Chapter 7 verse 22). If you read between the lines, you may find out what is really being said.

One thing I always say about the Bible-- Read entire stories, entire chapters, entire books, not just parts of it-- because if you do so it may have a different meaning than what was met.

I think the Bible was written by men trying to work out what God was thinking, or what they would like him to be thinking!

 

[BruceDLimber]

>What rigbht has God to judge us?

God has every right!!!

And as various scriptures affirm,

"He shall not be asked of His doings!"

Peace,

Bruce

 

[w00t]

>What rigbht has God to judge us?

God has every right!!!

And as various scriptures affirm,

"He shall not be asked of His doings!"

Peace,

Bruce

No he doesn't have the right to judge us, whilst his behaviour is questionable! I shall certainly ask him what he is up to!

 

[SoyLeche]

I shall certainly ask him what he is up to!

To which he will likely give you an explanation to which you will reply, "Oh, I see. I guess you were right all along."

 

[ChristineES]

No he doesn't have the right to judge us, whilst his behaviour is questionable! I shall certainly ask him what he is up to!

What God is up to? You are putting things on God that people do! The world is being run right now the way humans wanted it, the way they asked for it. Men (and women) wanted the world run their way and God let them do it.

 

[Hope]

My late, unlamented, paternal grandmother was a sadistic 'born again' Christian. She beat religion into her kids screaming, "I would sooner see you up in the graveyard than turn out bad!" She spiritually abused me from the age of two by describing the tortures of hell and telling me that naughty little girls like me were headed there! No wonder I hated and despised her version of God!

I now understand your bitterness towards Christianity. I am sorry you went through that. I'd question whether your grandmother was truly "born again." Just because someone says they are doesn't necessarily make it true. Jesus said we would be known by our "fruits." Most genuine born-again Christians would never behave in such a fashion.

But just because you experienced the wrath of that supposedly born-again woman, doesn't mean Christianity, or God, is therefore like that woman.

 

[w00t]

I now understand your bitterness towards Christianity. I am sorry you went through that. I'd question whether your grandmother was truly "born again." Just because someone says they are doesn't necessarily make it true. Jesus said we would be known by our "fruits." Most genuine born-again Christians would never behave in such a fashion.

But just because you experienced the wrath of that supposedly born-again woman, doesn't mean Christianity, or God, is therefore like that woman.

I have heard similar to those sentiments expressed by my grandmother repeated by so called born again Christians many times over the years! You only have to read the Bible to see that the God portrayed there is every bit as nasty as my grandmother!

 

[Quiddity]

I have heard similar to those sentiments expressed by my grandmother repeated by so called born again Christians many times over the years! You only have to read the Bible to see that the God portrayed there is every bit as nasty as my grandmother!

Atleast you love your grandmother.

 

[Ringer]

I have heard similar to those sentiments expressed by my grandmother repeated by so called born again Christians many times over the years! You only have to read the Bible to see that the God portrayed there is every bit as nasty as my grandmother!

The vague and tenuous hope that God is too kind to punish the ungodly has become a deadly opiate for the consciences of millions.--A. W. Tozer​

The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. –Herbert Spencer​

 

[UnTheist]

The vague and tenuous hope that God is too kind to punish the ungodly has become a deadly opiate for the consciences of millions.--A. W. Tozer​

The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. –Herbert Spencer​

And this is when people have nothing more to say: They use words that are not their own and then walk away. - Me

 

[Ringer]

And this is when people have nothing more to say: They use words that are not their own and then walk away. - Me

I've commented on Tangnfedd's posts enough using my own words to realize what it probably does little good. I appreciate the constructive criticism though, quote-nazi. Care to share anything that deals with the topic on hand?

 

[UnTheist]

I've commented on Tangnfedd's posts enough using my own words to realize what it probably does little good. I appreciate the constructive criticism though, quote-nazi. Care to share anything that deals with the topic on hand?

Sure: Why does God Judge Non-Christians (send them to Hell) if He never gave them a reason to believe?

 

[Ringer]

Sure: Why does God Judge Non-Christians (send them to Hell) if He never gave them a reason to believe?

I would think that God would say that you were delusion if you fail to see one reason to believe in his existence.

 

[UnTheist]

I would think that God would say that you were delusion if you fail to see one reason to believe in his existence.

Give me one reason I should believe. (Not because I can go to Heaven. I want a reason to believe He exists. And you can't use Pascals Wager for this one )

 

[Popeyesays]

Let me tell a little parable to show how empty the original proposition is:

A man of his own volition went out and committed a murder. When the police came to arrest him, he declared they had no authority to do so and put up a struggle. He was arrested anyway.

When questioned he denied that the prosecutor had any right to demand answers or indict him. He was indicted anyway.

When he went to trialhe declared the court and the jury had no right to declare him guilty. The court and the jury convicted him anyway.

When he faced sentencing he declared the government had no right to execute him. They executed him anyway.

Now we have the statement that God has no right to judge us. . . . . . . . . . . .

regards,
Scott

 

[UnTheist]

Let me tell a little parable to show how empty the original proposition is:

A man of his own volition went out and committed a murder. When the police came to arrest him, he declared they had no authority to do so and put up a struggle. He was arrested anyway.

When questioned he denied that the prosecutor had any right to demand answers or indict him. He was indicted anyway.

When he went to trialhe declared the court and the jury had no right to declare him guilty. The court and the jury convicted him anyway.

When he faced sentencing he declared the government had no right to execute him. They executed him anyway.

Now we have the statement that God has no right to judge us. . . . . . . . . . . .

regards,
Scott

So, as long as we have a good Justice system, God can't judge us? Or am I interpreting that wrong?

 

[Popeyesays]

So, as long as we have a good Justice system, God can't judge us? Or am I interpreting that wrong?

Parable:
Main Entry: par·a·ble
Pronunciation: 'pa-r&-b&l
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin parabola, from Greek parabolE comparison, from paraballein to compare, from para- + ballein to throw -- more at [SIZE=-1]DEVIL[/SIZE]
: [SIZE=-1]EXAMPLE[/SIZE]; specifically : a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle

Regards,
Scott

 

[Ringer]

Give me one reason I should believe. (Not because I can go to Heaven. I want a reason to believe He exists. And you can't use Pascals Wager for this one )

Ha! Am I really supposed to believe that anything I tell you is going to change your mind? You mean, I'm supposed to give you an enlightened set of arguments that I have conjured up during my 24 years on this earth and then, *POOF*, you're a theist? I guess we can play the game of me giving you the reasons I believe and then you refuting them but I found pretty quickly that it'll get us nowhere. Anyway, the OP is discussing whether or not God has the right to judge us and not his existence.

 

[Aqualung]

Parable:
Main Entry: par·a·ble
Pronunciation: 'pa-r&-b&l
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin parabola, from Greek parabolE comparison, from paraballein to compare, from para- + ballein to throw -- more at [SIZE=-1]DEVIL[/SIZE]
: [SIZE=-1]EXAMPLE[/SIZE]; specifically : a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle

Regards,
Scott

Thta's awesome that the copy/paste included the sound clip for how to prounce it.