Comprehend
Res Ipsa Loquitur
If you consider an idea to be a 'thing' then yes.
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What Right Has God To Judge Us?
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If you consider an idea to be a 'thing' then yes.
The law of justice IS an idea but that implies that someone or something came up with that idea. How could an idea exist otherwse?
Comprehend
Res Ipsa Loquitur
Yes, or many someones came up with it and we all agreed to abide by it including God.
hmm, and I thought that in the Christian tradition it was considered heresy to think there could be anything above God. I don't know maybe it's different for you mormons. Like I said I don't know much about mormonism
."We all agreed"? Then why is it that everyone seems to have their own idea on what is justice and justifiable and what is not?
Comprehend
Res Ipsa Loquitur
Mormons are different but for us, we do only have one God and he is it, there is nobody higher but even God must obey the law.hmm, and I thought that in the Christian tradition it was considered heresy to think there could be anything above God. I don't know maybe it's different for you mormons. Like I said I don't know much about mormonism
Because we can't remember what happened before we were born here. We have to re-learn it here.
It would be a bit unfair of God to arbitrarily gives us rules we didn't agree to beforehand don't you think?
Yes I do.
Tell me, do you feel that all of these rules can be found in the bible or is it by other means that we discover these rules? I have to admit that I disagree with, and in many cases moraly object to, many of the rules stated in the bible. While there are many that I DO agree with they are ones I would follow whether they were in the bible or not. I find that my own heart and mind provide a better moral compass. What about you?
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Done here.
Of course not! That's the problem with the world today; people don't punish their kids enough. If people really loved their kids, they'd beat them with a shovel and burn them with cigarettes and lock them out in the snow. That'd teach 'em! It's not as extreme as the pit of everlasting torment, but you've got to work with what you've got.
If you really love your kids, make them guess what you want, but don't give them any way of finding out. Then if they guess wrong, torture them. Tell the other kids how lucky they are that you're not torturing them. Tell them you act that way to show your love for them. That's what a truly godly parent would do.
Comprehend
Res Ipsa Loquitur
Much can be found in the bible but certainly not all and I don't even know if I would say 'most' of it can be found there.
I also agree that much of the rules in the OT are incredibly strict and do not make much sense to our compassionate nature. I think you would agree that the rules given after the Atonement are much more in-line with how it seems sensible to behave: Love your neighbor, serve others, turn the other cheek, care for the poor and needy, forgive one another, etc etc.
I also agree that your heart and mind provides a great moral compass if we listen to them. Mormons believe this is how God communicates to us (in our mind and heart) and guides us to know what is right and wrong.
It sounds to me like you have your head on straight and understand what is important in this world. Good for you.
Thanks
I could say the same for you:bow:. And while we may follow different religious paths I do agree with you on many points including that fact that the NT rules seem more "right" then the OT rules. Through my time spent on forums I have come across many a person who can't seem to look beyond the bible or beyond their science and what not. Though I know these people are the exception rather than the rule it can still be tiresome and frusterating. Frubals for you for being a nice open-minded and all around cool person.:angel2:My late, unlamented, paternal grandmother was a sadistic 'born again' Christian. She beat religion into her kids screaming, "I would sooner see you up in the graveyard than turn out bad!" She spiritually abused me from the age of two by describing the tortures of hell and telling me that naughty little girls like me were headed there! No wonder I hated and despised her version of God!
Wow, just wow.
When the creator, God, makes his creation - he has the authority to do whatever he wants with his creation. Additionally, the moral high ground you speak of is given to us BY HIM and through him. You are blaming God for the flaws of his creation - you are saying that the very reason why you are here has no moral high ground.
Are you making the argument that "might equals right"? Just curious.
Comprehend
Res Ipsa Loquitur
You blame Christianity and God for the abusive behavior of your grandmother?
Don't you think it is possible that your grandmother's imagination does not alter what God actually is?
I think it is a poor decision to despise an entire group because of the actions of part of it's group.
Should we hate Catholicism because some Priests abused kids?
Should we hate all of Germany because Hitler was German?
Should we hate all Britains because at some point they oppressed Scotland?
Should we hate all white people because they held slaves?
Your reasoning could use an upgrade.
I think she's stated she only hates her grandmother's concept of god. Are you saying that's the same to her as the Christian deity? Just looking for clarification here.
I am saying that I hated my grandmother's concept of God.
When the documents that make up the Bible were written the authors had their own agenda. They wanted their God to be bigger and more powerful than the gods of other tribes, therefore it was natural they should create a persona for him which reflected that, hence all the zapping of the enemies of the Jews, who saw themselves as God's chosen people. None of us can know for sure what God is really like in this lifetime, or if he/she really exists. Faith and fact are two differents things.
When the documents that make up the Bible were written the authors had their own agenda. They wanted their God to be bigger and more powerful than the gods of other tribes, therefore it was natural they should create a persona for him which reflected that, hence all the zapping of the enemies of the Jews, who saw themselves as God's chosen people. None of us can know for sure what God is really like in this lifetime, or if he/she really exists. Faith and fact are two differents things.
Popeyesays
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"None of us can know for sure what God is really like in this lifetime, or if he/she really exists. Faith and fact are two differents things."
At the end of this existence we will no more be able to "understand God" than we could before. God in His Essence is not knowable. Out vision will be clearer as the veils created by the physical existence fade away, but our vision will never be perfect, neither will our understanding.
We are only immortal, not eternal. We are finite, not infinite. We are the Created, not the Creator.
"Exalted, immeasurably exalted, art Thou above the strivings of mortal man to unravel Thy mystery, to 4 describe Thy glory, or even to hint at the nature of Thine Essence. For whatever such strivings may accomplish, they never can hope to transcend the limitations imposed upon Thy creatures, inasmuch as these efforts are actuated by Thy decree, and are begotten of Thine invention. The loftiest sentiments which the holiest of saints can express in praise of Thee, and the deepest wisdom which the most learned of men can utter in their attempts to comprehend"
(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 3)
Regards,
Scott
At the end of this existence we will no more be able to "understand God" than we could before. God in His Essence is not knowable. Out vision will be clearer as the veils created by the physical existence fade away, but our vision will never be perfect, neither will our understanding.
We are only immortal, not eternal. We are finite, not infinite. We are the Created, not the Creator.
"Exalted, immeasurably exalted, art Thou above the strivings of mortal man to unravel Thy mystery, to 4 describe Thy glory, or even to hint at the nature of Thine Essence. For whatever such strivings may accomplish, they never can hope to transcend the limitations imposed upon Thy creatures, inasmuch as these efforts are actuated by Thy decree, and are begotten of Thine invention. The loftiest sentiments which the holiest of saints can express in praise of Thee, and the deepest wisdom which the most learned of men can utter in their attempts to comprehend"
(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 3)
Regards,
Scott
Does anyone else notice anything amiss? :yes:
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I wholeheartedly agree and would suggest that it may well be ourselves that do the post-life judging -- who else would be in a better position? I rather suspect that "god" has far more interesting things to do than attend the post funeral party for departing Earthlings. When you think about it, it is a pretty arrogant viewpoint to hold, thinking that we are SO important that the very creator of the universe(s) would sit in judgment going over our every deed. Too funny, really. It's a fairly egotistical expectation, imho.