What"s with all the secrecy???

[Katzpur]

no mommy, i do not mind, i am 9 years old,(according to pwfaith)......

So she noticed it too, huh? Seriously, we all know you're not 9, but if you're out of high school, I'd be surprised. I'm guessing you're maybe 15.

i can smell your frustration though, ..... maybe i was a little harsh when i exposed mormonism a few posts back...

You exposed Mormonism? Good grief. All you've exposed so far is your incredibly juvenile behavior.

but truth hurts sometimes, maybe thats why you reported the post.....

I reported your post? And just how would you know that?

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

I just stated that Satan would never appear disguised as an angel of light and proclaim that we should go about doing good works and that we should strive to be like our Savior.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

What views on religion does a non religious organization have?
Normally when I have heard of non religious charities, it is something like the Peace Corp. They just believe in helping other people and doing good. Hey, if that is there core belief, then yes they are right on.

 

[Katzpur]

if i remember correctly, about a year ago, you and waitasec got into a huge argument about the black ban in the mormon church in one of my threads, where waitasec owned you big time on the fact that after the end of the ban, one could only conclude that either the mormon prophets were wrong/immoral, and lied about god revealing himself to them on the issue, or god was wrong/immoral... of course you were just as evasive as pwfaith was in my other thread.

you know what, ill go back and read that thread again, good times...

Save yourself the effort. Waitasec and I have never had the argument you've just described. Besides, I have no need to be evasive and my perspective on the issue isn't even close to what you've described.

By the way, if you just joined RF last month, how could you have started a thread about a year ago?

 

[Blackdog22]

This is just like the situation with my invisible friend when I was five. The reason God is invisible is because there is no evidence for him so any plausible God myth must be invisible and hiding from everybody. The fact that God is invisible, hiding, encourages blind faith, and punishes people who don't believe, sounds very suspitious to me.

Dan?? Didn't you used to be a pretty hardcore Christian man? Either way, haven't seen you in awhile.

 

[Blackdog22]

I just stated that Satan would never appear disguised as an angel of light and proclaim that we should go about doing good works and that we should strive to be like our Savior.

As for exactly what happened, I can not say, i wasn't there.
I know that in some instances that Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. and fools many.

Lol????? Are you sure you know what it is that you think Yaddoe?

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Lol????? Are you sure you know what it is that you think Yaddoe?

Yes I know what I think

 

[waitasec]

I thought I answered that question about some people can be deceived by Satan who can disguise himself as an angel of light.
Then sometimes Kamakazi pilots would do it to bring honor to their families. It was a cultural thing as it is in many countries.
I admit though, I really haven't spent a long time studying the story of Kamakazi pilots, did they ever claim to of prayed and recieved answers saying that is what God wanted them to do?. If so, I have never heard of any accounts. Do you have one that you would like to share.
Without one, your argument has been disarmed.

i guess you forgot about 9/11

 

[waitasec]

Are you looking for a good laugh, or what? You know me pretty well, waitasec. Do you think that if I were to answer those questions, my answers would be reasonable or not? (The questions, I've got to admit, were pretty stupid.)

correct me if i'm wrong but i thought those questions were directed to yaddoe...

 

[waitasec]

yaddoe:

im not saying what i like, im laying out historical facts....yes, that means TRUTH.

FACT. your former beloved leader was a 55 wife polygamist racist.
FACT. blacks were denied priesthood till 1978

you claim to speak from great authority when you have NONE. you have no more authority than the homeless guy jerking off under a bridge to an old play boy mag he found behind the dumpster..... you parade your BS like its the greatest thing since sliced bread.. "WAS IT NOT WRITTEN?" YES, IT WAS WRITTEN. WAS IT NOT SPOKEN? YES, IT WAS SPOKEN......... the living prophets this, the living prophets that.... reality check.... your prophets are failures. the history of your mormon faith is plagued with racism and polygamy...

I'm calling you out. Your whole argument fails due to your flawed example on account of, what if its a really really reeeeeally thin brick wall? Hmm? What now.. I win, u lose, go home........high five yaddoe, i got your back ma elder.

i'm really confused...

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

i guess you forgot about 9/11

What about 9/11 ?

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

When you direct your questions at me, you direct them at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is perfectly fine if Katzpur jumps in with something to say.

 

[waitasec]

What about 9/11 ?

selective memory...
here.

Because believing that you're acting because of a force or a cause that's greater than yourself makes doing Good easier for some people. Maybe everyone doesn't need that sense, not saying everyone does, just why some people find solace and strength in their faith.

and what of those who believed they did what god told them to do, fly into buildings...
i would assume their faith was very strong.
and if you think that act was an immoral act, you certainly didn't arrive to that conclusion from reading any book, it comes from YOUR OWN moral sense.

As for exactly what happend, I can not say, i wasn't there.
I know that in some instances that Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. and fools many.

and what makes you think the ones flying into the WWC didn't think the same of americans?

you are speaking of a subjective truth...
and it doesn't hold water, not one ounce.

When it comes to the authority thing. Continuing the conversation with an atheist is pointless. It all comes back down to "I said a prayer and got an answer" "No you didn't" "Yes I did" "No you didn't' "Yes I did".... on and on and on

is this how you want to avoid the question...?

in the words of darth vader,
impressive, most impressive

Your statement is the same as why is there so many churches out there.
There is already a forum on that.

Why do you keep trying to change the subject of "Why all the secrecy?"

You sound like you are cornered and trying to get away.
Maybe this debate is over.
It has all boiled down to
A. God doesn't exist
B. God has his reasons for being mysterious
and many are described in (The Value of the Veil) that I posted earlier.

but this is about the secrecy....the secrecy being the subjective understanding...
if god were to be empirically understood we would all know what god is.
like running through a brick wall is an impossibility...that is no secret.

 

[waitasec]

When you direct your questions at me, you direct them at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It is perfectly fine if Katzpur jumps in with something to say.

nice back pedaling
just say you can't answer the question, because i'm asking YOU.


where's your backbone?

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

the value of the veil is all about the secrecy. Go read it already

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

And as for the terrorist bombing, you seem to have left out the part where
I said that you needed evidence that they actually claimed to have prayed and recieved answers to go commit suicide. As I told you before. Until you have an actual account from one of the suicide bombers your argument has been disarmed.
From what I've heard from the soldiers in Afganistan, terrorists actually hold families as hostage and tell the Dad to strap these bombs on and go kill yourself, or we will kill your family. Sounds like some mightly strong revelation at gun point there huh? *being sarcastic*

 

[waitasec]

And as for the terrorist bombing, you seem to have left out the part where
I said that you needed evidence that they actually claimed to have prayed and recieved answers to go commit suicide. As I told you before. Until you have an actual account from one of the suicide bombers your argument has been disarmed.
From what I've heard from the soldiers in Afganistan, terrorists actually hold families as hostage and tell the Dad to strap these bombs on and go kill yourself, or we will kill your family. Sounds like some mightly strong revelation at gun point there huh? *being sarcastic*

here...

Al-Qaeda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




and if you think that act was an immoral act, you certainly didn't arrive to that conclusion from reading any book, it comes from YOUR OWN moral sense.

 

[waitasec]

the value of the veil is all about the secrecy. Go read it already

the veil of willful ignorance

 

[Orias]

if the supernatural does exist. what's with all the secrecy? out of all of the gods "known" to man throughout history, not a single one has made his actual existence known. never did a sky daddy come down to show himself to everyone... why?? why does god not make his existence known, and then let everyone decide whether or not they would like to worship him for eternity??? why turn it into a silly game of hide and seek, where only some humans claim that the gods have revealed themselves to them, while others are left in the dark....... why not just make his existence known and let us make the decision whether or not to follow him.... we will still have free will of course....

I think that these "Sky Daddies" are often interpreted to be of an external source. These "Gods" are taken more for the psychodramatic effect that they have on individuals/masses. A metaphorical sword, perhaps.

I think the real sky daddy is the One drawing these other Ones. He is obvious, just mostly denying of it.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

the veil of willful ignorance

Have you even read it yet?!
Until you do you can't say anything about it!
The answers are just a click away
Here just to make things easy for you

The Value of the Veil - Liahona Dec. 1991