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What should the West do Now about Islamic Terrorism?

Thanda

Well-Known Member
Rick has a point too. Facists/dictators have caused incredible worldwide damage, far worse than what is going on now, when left alone in the past. Look at Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. Sometimes we have to act.

By all means help protect their sovereignty of countries that surround the dictator if it is in your interest and those respective countries ask you to help. But we are not talking about that now. We are talking about going into a stable country with a "dictator" and leaving the country a right mess.
 

Nyingjé Tso

Dharma not drama
Not giving their name or showing their faces in media, denying those narcissists men-childs wannabe martyrs the 3 days fame they seek would be a good start in reducing the number of attacks.
 

Thanda

Well-Known Member
Again that's history, and weren't the mujahideen supported by the US to fight the Soviets?

Anyway, the "adventurers" aren't there any more as far as I know, apart from airstrikes by western powers.

Do you really think ISIS would stop trying to conquer and spread their sphere of influence if we stopped the airstrikes? I'm not convinced about that.

ISIS wouldn't stop but they would get fewer recruits and eventually become weak. Furthermore, if America had left alone the stable if dictatorial governments of the Middle-east, the would have dealt with ISIS themselves.
 

Thanda

Well-Known Member
Perhaps because we are humanitarians? And people petition the western powers for relief. Should America have not been concerned with European affairs in 1941?

Stop conflating two scenarios. In 1939 a madmen started trying to take over the world (he would have eventually attacked America after he was done with Europe so America was not just thinking in humanitarian terms). He was invading other sovereign nations. America had every right to assist their allies in Europe.

But what is happening now is that peaceful countries (i.e. countries who are not waging war with their neighbours) are being destabilised by their toppling of their sometimes democratically elected, if not really well liked leaders, by America and it's allies - this leads to chaos which is a breeding ground for groups that actually do present a threat both to their neighbours and to America and its allies.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
That is your homework, not mine, sorry.
What "homework"? I don't even know exactly what you're claiming. Are you saying that Marxist states weren't really atheistic? Why? How are you defining an atheistic state? It just sounds like the flip side of when religious people excuse or explain way atrocities carried out in the name of their religion.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Blah blah turned to image level ?
I already said many times, Nazi regime is gone, groups are exist.
btw If they are threaten enough , I bet you don't dare to stay live there.

Its not my fault that your English is not advanced enough to have a good discourse.

You wrote "Nazis gone". Which means in English that the Nazis, as in the people are gone. Again: Go and take up more English lessons.


I perfect to have bad English with reasonable and justice , than have good English level with arrogance and hate.

Good job not addressing what I wrote.


You just ride the wrong track of meaning.

Who tell you that I am against compensation? I am with compensation to ALL people include Jews and Russians , Polish even Germans victimes by ally ....etc in that war.

btw Israel was not exist in that time , (WW2) , , I think it's illogical that Israel to ask Germany for compensation by "state to state", because two points :

Oh you have got to be ******* kidding me.

@Smart_Guy
Can you please explain to him in Arabic that Israel was merely the place where the negotiations took place between Germany and the fund for the Jewish victims? He does not understand the article which he himself brought up and I have explained it to him in English to no avail.
http://www.spiegel.de/international...arations-to-holocaust-survivors-a-902528.html

If not I quote it again
"The German government has committed to pay nearly 800 million euros for the care of elderly Holocaust survivors as a result of negotiations in Israel between Berlin and a fund for Jewish victims of Nazi aggression. Nearly 60,000 people will benefit from the aid money."

I can't do anything else. Its there in the text. For everyone to see. But apparently not for everyone to understand.
 

Smart_Guy

...
Premium Member
@Smart_Guy
Can you please explain to him in Arabic that Israel was merely the place where the negotiations took place between Germany and the fund for the Jewish victims?

:flushed:
Flankerl is asking me for a favor!!!
YES!
:hearteyes::hearteyecat::hearteyes::hearteyecat:

Ah... ehhhm...

I'll translate that part to Arabic, here:

إسرائيل كانت مجرد المكان الذي تقام فيه المفاوضات بين ألمانيا وصندوق مال ضحايا اليهود
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Its not my fault that your English is not advanced enough to have a good discourse.

You wrote "Nazis gone". Which means in English that the Nazis, as in the people are gone. Again: Go and take up more English lessons.
I mentioned before that I meant "Nazi regime" , but you insist to pretend that you don't understand.






Oh you have got to be ******* kidding me.

@Smart_Guy
Can you please explain to him in Arabic that Israel was merely the place where the negotiations took place between Germany and the fund for the Jewish victims? He does not understand the article which he himself brought up and I have explained it to him in English to no avail.
http://www.spiegel.de/international...arations-to-holocaust-survivors-a-902528.html

If not I quote it again
"The German government has committed to pay nearly 800 million euros for the care of elderly Holocaust survivors as a result of negotiations in Israel between Berlin and a fund for Jewish victims of Nazi aggression. Nearly 60,000 people will benefit from the aid money."

I can't do anything else. Its there in the text. For everyone to see. But apparently not for everyone to understand.
Ok I will respond to you by help of @Smart_Guy , from begining to this point.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
:flushed:
Flankerl is asking me for a favor!!!
YES!
:hearteyes::hearteyecat::hearteyes::hearteyecat:

Ah... ehhhm...

I'll translate that part to Arabic, here:

إسرائيل كانت مجرد المكان الذي تقام فيه المفاوضات بين ألمانيا وصندوق مال ضحايا اليهود

المشكلة بدات من تعلقيها " ابد" إستهزاء على سوال A Greased Scotsman
هنا
Monday at 6:30 AM#148

فسوال كان حول إذا الغرب بدل معاملته للمسلمين هل المسلمين يكفون عن لوم الغرب عن المشاكل التي حصلت و تحصل ؟

فردت هي " NEVER"

تذكرت ان اليهود دائما يلمون الغرب في موضوع الهولوكوست
Monday at 10:05 AM#152


فردت علي هي تلومني انني أخلط بين الالمان و النازيين هنا
Monday at 10:22 AM#155

وقلت لها النازيين كدولة ذهبو فلماذا اليهود يطلبون تعويض من المانيا ....و انك الان انت من تخلطين بين النازيين و الالمان من اجل المال و قبل قليل كنت تلومنين انني اخلط بين النازيين و الالمان
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Why? If the Nazis could they would do it again. Can it possibly be that you are mixing up Germans with Nazis?

Indeed Neo Nazis WOULD do it again.
Sadly the American Nazi party is ALIVE, REAL, and HERE!
When I was a copper we had a couple cops that attended a Nazi Party rally.
Sad what?
I squealed my guts out to the Chief who had a "meeting" with those guys and explained
that he could do nothing about the affiliation but promised FIRINGS if any of
them brought literature or preached such while on duty.
http://www.americannaziparty.com/

My father served as a tank gunner in a light tank in Europe in WWII.
He'd "object" to the notion of an American Nazi party.
He almost never talked about the horrors of being a gunner in a light tank.
He did say, just once, that he and others machine gunned KIDS who ran up
to the tanks begging for food and candy.
When the G.I.'s kindly responded the hidden Nazi's would detonate
the explosives laden children killing the G.I's often destroying the tanks and other war material.
No wonder he drank himself to death.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
You say it as if you are responsible for the dictator getting power. Are you? If not, how are you keeping the dictator in power?
We live in a global civilization. There is no denying it. So either we work with a support leaders or we go against them. I don't believe there is a way to just let them be anymore in our globalized world.
 
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