What should the West do Now about Islamic Terrorism?

[jeager106]

These question should be asked to USA leaders (Navy) not me .

But ok, one word " OIL"

OIL?????? Really???
OF COURSE the WORLD needs oil
The Arabs are only too happy to sell it to those who want it and get FILTHY
RICH in the process.
Nothing wrong with getting rich however.

The Arab region includes the following countries: Algeria, Bahrain, Djibouti, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait,
Lebanon, Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, Malta, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia,
Syrian Arab Republic, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates and Yemen (see Figure 1). In 2008, UNESCO
estimated that in the Arab region, “40 % of those over 15 years of age – nearly 70 million people - are
illiterate.”2

This ^^^^ in one of the RICHEST regions in the world.
Go figure.

 

[leibowde84]

By all means help protect their sovereignty of countries that surround the dictator if it is in your interest and those respective countries ask you to help. But we are not talking about that now. We are talking about going into a stable country with a "dictator" and leaving the country a right mess.

There were plenty of people in Iraq asking for our help in getting rid of Sadam. Same goes for lybia and Syria as well.

 

[George-ananda]

Stop conflating two scenarios. In 1939 a madmen started trying to take over the world (he would have eventually attacked America after he was done with Europe so America was not just thinking in humanitarian terms). He was invading other sovereign nations. America had every right to assist their allies in Europe.

Wait a minute. Didn't Saddam Hussein start a war with Iran that killed a million or so and didn't he invade and control Kuwait killing who knows how many?

But what is happening now is that peaceful countries (i.e. countries who are not waging war with their neighbours) are being destabilised by their toppling of their sometimes democratically elected, if not really well liked leaders, by America and it's allies - this leads to chaos which is a breeding ground for groups that actually do present a threat both to their neighbours and to America and its allies.

What? Can you give even one example of American toppling of a country's 'democratically elected, if not really well liked leaders'?

 

[Thanda]

There were plenty of people in Iraq asking for our help in getting rid of Sadam. Same goes for lybia and Syria as well.

That is still not the same thing. Some people in America would be glad if someone came and toppled Obama. Does that give some other Power (if there was one mighty enough) a right and responsibilty to respond to their call and invade a relatively stable country (as the US currently is) and leave it a failed state teaming with lunatics of every kind? For this is precisely how you and the US government are justifying destroying nations, killing hundreds of thousands and destabilizing the world.

 

[Godobeyer]

OIL?????? Really???
OF COURSE the WORLD needs oil
The Arabs are only too happy to sell it to those who want it and get FILTHY
RICH in the process.
Nothing wrong with getting rich however.

The Arab region includes the following countries: Algeria, Bahrain, Djibouti, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait,
Lebanon, Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, Malta, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia,
Syrian Arab Republic, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates and Yemen (see Figure 1). In 2008, UNESCO
estimated that in the Arab region, “40 % of those over 15 years of age – nearly 70 million people - are
illiterate.”2

This ^^^^ in one of the RICHEST regions in the world.
Go figure.

General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years

Please watch the second one to end

 

[Godobeyer]

@jeager106 this video may give you some idea what happened and what happening, I believe he had point and talk facts.

General Wesley Clark explains ISIS was created by U.S. Allies

 

[Jumi]

Wait a minute. Didn't Saddam Hussein start a war with Iran that killed a million or so and didn't he invade and control Kuwait killing who knows how many?

The Iraqi War with Iran was with US support.

 

[Godobeyer]

The Iraqi War with Iran was with US support.

Thanks
That unknown by most of people here

 

[Thanda]

Wait a minute. Didn't Saddam Hussein start a war with Iran that killed a million or so and didn't he invade and control Kuwait killing who knows how many?

They did not topple Saddam in the first gulf war. They did it in 2003 when he hadn't attacked any country in over a decade.

What? Can you give even one example of American toppling of a country's 'democratically elected, if not really well liked leaders'?

Bashar Al-Assad.

 

[George-ananda]

The Iraqi War with Iran was with US support.

Sure, he might have looked like the lesser of two evils to America at the time (considering Iran), but then things evolved. And then there was Kuwait.

 

[George-ananda]

They did not topple Saddam in the first gulf war. They did it in 2003 when he hadn't attacked any country in over a decade.

Yes I know history, and that American-led international attack was primarily over his flaunting and restriction of attempts sanctioned by the United Nations for inspection of his secretive weapon capabilities.

Bashar Al-Assad.

There is a difference between 'elected' and 'democratically elected'.

 

[Thanda]

We live in a global civilization. There is no denying it. So either we work with a support leaders or we go against them. I don't believe there is a way to just let them be anymore in our globalized world.

That is a poor excuse. It is especially poor when America courts all kinds of dictators (E.g. Saudi Arabia, Saddam initially) around the world as is convenient for them and chooses to topple those who are less evil than their friends. So America knows how to have cordial relationships with dictators and restrain themselves from toppling them.

 

[Thanda]

Yes I know history, and that American-led international attack was primarily over his flaunting and restriction of attempts sanctioned by the United Nations for inspection of his secretive weapon capabilities.

Hahaha, you're really funny.

There is a difference between 'elected' and 'democratically elected'.

Thanks for helping me understand how Americans justify the atrocities their country commits (And then we're expected to feel sorry for them when their attacked?).

 

[George-ananda]

Hahaha, you're really funny.



Thanks for helping me understand how Americans justify the atrocities their country commits (And then we're expected to feel sorry for them when their attacked?).

Now that I see what I'm debating, there is no point in continuing.

 

[Thanda]

Now that I see what I'm debating, there is no point in continuing.

Indeed, I have small love for those who don't care about the destruction their government brings upon the rest of the world.

 

[jeager106]

Thanda;
Were you not a citizen of South Africa or claim to have S.A. roots, with a horrible racist past.
Yout info here indicates you are or were.
A past rooted in relatively recent history.
http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~cale/cs201/apartheid.hist.html

With the enactment of apartheid laws in 1948, racial discrimination was institutionalized. Race laws touched every aspect of social life, including a prohibition of marriage between non-whites and whites, and the sanctioning of ``white-only'' jobs.

I know. S.A. changed and is all better now.

http://csvr.org.za/index.php/media-...till-a-threat-to-south-africas-democracy.html

But not yet healed from the wounds of blatant racism that exists to this day.
How long did that change take to happen and at what cost.
Mandela was, is, remains, one of my personal hero's.

Then there was Australia where indigenous people were hunted for sport and
in some cases heads of murdered taken to a taxidermist and hung over
the mantle.
Google that while at it.

 

[George-ananda]

Indeed, I have small love for those who don't care about the destruction their government brings upon the rest of the world.

What is America's motive for bringing destruction on the rest of the world as you claim?? If you subscribe to some conspiracy theory, provide details as to who they are and how they could fool a whole nation that is politically divided with fierce political enemies engaging each other within the country. Or are they all brainwashed into the conspiracy once they reach a certain level of power. As, you can see I am skeptical of grand conspiracy theories.

 

[Thanda]

What is America's motive for bringing destruction on the rest of the world as you claim?? If you subscribe to some conspiracy theory, provide details as to who they are and how they could fool a whole nation that is politically divided with fierce political enemies engaging each other within the country. Or are they all brainwashed into the conspiracy once they reach a certain level of power. As, you can see I am skeptical of grand conspiracy theories.

You may be skeptical of them if you wish, it doesn't matter. But it doesn't take a genius to realise that human beings (many of them at least) are greedy. It also doesn't take a genius or a conspiracy to realise that money makes the world go around. When you realise how much companies invest in American elections it is easy to see that much of your political decision (including those with military consequences) are driven by private vested interests.

If you honestly believe that the wars America engages in all over the world is for altruistic reasons and because they want to protect you and other Americans you are displaying a level of naivete that astounds me. America is an impenetrable fortress. You may get lone wolf lunatics shooting a few people here and bombing a couple of people there but your country will never attacked in full scale warfare. In fact the only vulnerability the American homeland has lies in the fact that America has deployed so many of it's forces abroad to harass and disrupt other nations. That is also the principle cause for the ill will many in the world have for the US.

George, your politicians are corrupt (nothing new, mine are too). You guys have a two party system that has dished up Trump and Hillary as your presidential candidates. So brainwashed is the electorate that they believe the lie that if they don't vote for either of these two evils they are throwing away their vote. And so every four years you will go through the charade of choosing one of two corrupt candidates and you will call what you have democracy. And you will venture out into the world destroying nations in order to instill this worthless democracy in their countries. A democracy you will not respect when a leader is chosen who is not to your liking.

I'm sorry George, but far from being the policeman of the world your country is in fact the biggest criminal. I recently read a report stating that America controls more that 50% of the worlds arms trade. ISIS is using American weapons to reek havoc in the middle east. Far from promoting peace your country is integral to most of the instability in the world at the moment.

I know it is not the individual citizens of the US that have done this. But I get angry when any of it's people try to justify the terror their country brings on the world.

 

[Thanda]

Thanda;
Were you not a citizen of South Africa or claim to have S.A. roots, with a horrible racist past.
Yout info here indicates you are or were.
A past rooted in relatively recent history.
http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~cale/cs201/apartheid.hist.html

With the enactment of apartheid laws in 1948, racial discrimination was institutionalized. Race laws touched every aspect of social life, including a prohibition of marriage between non-whites and whites, and the sanctioning of ``white-only'' jobs.

I know. S.A. changed and is all better now.

http://csvr.org.za/index.php/media-...till-a-threat-to-south-africas-democracy.html

But not yet healed from the wounds of blatant racism that exists to this day.
How long did that change take to happen and at what cost.
Mandela was, is, remains, one of my personal hero's.

Then there was Australia where indigenous people were hunted for sport and
in some cases heads of murdered taken to a taxidermist and hung over
the mantle.
Google that while at it.

Yes I'm South African. What was the purpose of your post?

 

[jeager106]

Yes I'm South African. What was the purpose of your post?

It's obvious S.A. has/did have a very violent racially motivated and violent, political,
recent past.
This thread is about violence/terrorism.
It ain't all radical Islam.
The U.S. had it's nut cases that blew up abortion clinic but nothing on the scale
that we see from Radical Islam.
Note: RADICAL, not all of Islam.