What the...Egypt female circumcision

[Gharib]

Brother, with all due respect (and you know I respect you a lot), but girls who undergo FGM "willingly" do so because it has been indoctrinated in their minds that this is "necessary" and if they don't do it, they are "dirty". In a culture where purity is so very instilled in women, these girls, by default, really don't have the choice.

OK, lets say one generation of girls who don't know the dangers and don't know the effects are tricked into it.

Why would these same girls who latter become mothers and find that it was all just manipulation, do the same thing to their own daughters? Brother DS has posted what is actually in support of what I'm saying with the experiences of his grandmother.

Are the men forcing them to do it? Debater Slayer even posted a source which says that Egypt has banned it.

Do we know for real what is happening? No, all we know is what someone (and most likely a woman) tells us about it and we believe their story because a PhD is ascribed along side the name.

Don't get me wrong sister, I respect your thoughts just as much as everyone else's and my view is not better than yours, it's actually the same. I just don't like it how we agree with something because it's what we like to hear and not because it is true.

I don't like the practice, but i'm not going to make a judgment on a people based on some numbers and the thoughts of someone which may not be true.

Let me ask a fair question to everyone. Has anyone here ever been personally told by a 'victim' of this practice that it is bad?

 

[Madhuri]

So what exactly are you saying...that male circumcision is completely acceptable but all forms of FGM are terrible? Think about it, even f I agree with you, because I personally don't care if people choose circumcision, it seems biased towards womens rights while downplaying male rights.

I don't think that saying one is worse than the other is the same as saying that one is actually acceptable. People will have different opinions about male circumcision.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

What a convenient tool in the toolchest of histrionics: with one simple comparison one can simultaneously and enthusiastically demagogue circumcision and trivialize female genital mutilation. Why such enthusiasm is another matter entirely.

That's all I have to say to this, my dear.

 

[waitasec]

So what exactly are you saying...that male circumcision is completely acceptable but all forms of FGM are terrible? Think about it, even f I agree with you, because I personally don't care if people choose circumcision, it seems biased towards womens rights while downplaying male rights.

no, not at all. all forms of circumcision are abhorrent acts
but there is a huge difference between the 2.

you are, well how should i put this politely...

wrong.

 

[Desert Snake]

no, not at all. all forms of circumcision is an abhorrent act
but there is a huge difference between the 2.

you are, well how should i put this politely...

wrong.

No, I'm not "wrong", because whether there is a huge difference between the two or not, they will be compared, it's just a fact.

Also, I don't have a strong opinion about male circumcision anyway, so I'm not calling it "abhorrent", as you seem to be.

 

[Gharib]

no, not at all. all forms of circumcision is an abhorrent act
but there is a huge difference between the 2.

you are, well how should i put this politely...

wrong.

This is a good example of what I meant by my last two posts (one in reply to Madhuri the other in reply to ssainhu)

Don't take it the wrong way waitasec, it's just that it supports my point.

 

[waitasec]

it's a stupid and useless tradition.

 

[waitasec]

No, I'm not "wrong", because whether there is a huge difference between the two or not, they will be compared, it's just a fact.

Also, I don't have a strong opinion about male circumcision anyway, so I'm not calling it "abhorrent", as you seem to be.

relatively recently, a few baby boy's were given the wonderful gift of herpes because the foreskin was sucked off by the rabbi who gave it to them.

it's a barbaric practice.
pure and simple.

 

[waitasec]

This is a good example of what I meant by my last two posts (one in reply to Madhuri the other in reply to ssainhu)

Don't take it the wrong way waitasec, it's just that it supports my point.

to be honest, i don't care what you think.

 

[Desert Snake]

it's a stupid and useless tradition.

You understand what I was getting at, though, right? You can't really criticize one and ignore the other in your criticisms, even if it seems 'justified' to do so.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

You understand what I was getting at, though, right? You can't really criticize one and ignore the other in your criticisms, even if it seems 'justified' to do so.

Then how do you compare the two, SKKF?

 

[Desert Snake]

Then how do you compare the two, SKKF?

I don't, personally.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I don't, personally.

Then you lost me on what your argument is.

 

[Willamena]

You understand what I was getting at, though, right? You can't really criticize one and ignore the other in your criticisms, even if it seems 'justified' to do so.

You can honestly and genuinely compare them, because they are not the same. They both carry the name "circumcision," but they are done for totally different reasons, in different contexts and with vastly different consequences.

 

[Desert Snake]

You can honestly and genuinely compare them, because they are not the same. They both carry the name "circumcision," but they are done for totally different reasons, in different contexts and with vastly different consequences.

They're both circumcision, and they both have a religious origin. You're statement is...wrong.

 

[Willamena]

They're both circumcision, and they both have a religious origin. You're statement is...wrong.

Finding basis for comparison is a matter of looking at differences. Ignoring differences doesn't make them go away.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

They're both circumcision, and they both have a religious origin. You're statement is...wrong.

The word "circumcision" is IMO the only similarity, but the distinctions between the two are very different.

So....you DO compare the two.

Please inform me of the impact of both procedures and how they are comparable.

 

[Desert Snake]

Finding basis for comparison is a matter of looking at differences. Ignoring differences doesn't make them go away.

Obviously male and female circumcision are different, taking the extreme position of not comparing them, however, is the intellectually dishonest thing to do.

 

[Willamena]

Obviously male and female circumcision are different, taking the extreme position of not comparing them, however, is the intellectually dishonest thing to do.

Isn't that what you did in Post #53?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

My grandmother was against the practice, although I suspect that many of her peers weren't (mostly due to lack of education). The reason she was went back to her witnessing one of her peers circumcising her daughters, which resulted in one of them suffering from vaginal bleeding and trauma.

The point is that female genital mutilation is not like male circumcision at all; it causes physical and psychological trauma and is an inherently misogynistic practice.

I'm re-posting this for the sake of reason.