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what turns you off from Christianity?

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Honestly, what is it that turns you away from embracing Christianity?

Mostly boils down to these things, for simplicity:

  • Lack of interest. Christian religions just don't appeal to me. Kinda like how football doesn't appeal to me. I don't like the aesthetic, the genre, the flavor... however you want to put it. Christian mythology is very "meh" to me.
  • I'm already taken. I already have a religion, and I like it quite a lot. I'm not looking for a new/different one. This is kinda like asking a monogamous married person "what turns you away from finding another wife/husband?"
  • It would never work. Too much of various Christian traditions is fundamentally counter to who and what I am. Asking me to embrace Christianity is like saying "hey, I know you're a size 10 shoe, but would you try on this size 4?" No.
But hey let's do some tit-for-tat here. What turns you away from embracing Paganism?

Do you feel differently about Jesus than you do Christianity?

Well, bullet point one still applies - I'm not interested in Christian mythology, so that includes Jesus. The other two don't really apply.

(before folks gripe about the use of the word "mythology" here, please remember that as I use the term, I mean sacred stories that convey deep truths and meaning, not "fiction/lie")
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
For me, it was the practitioners that turned me off to it. Their self assured moral superiority makes me cringe every time.
 

Kartari

Active Member
Hi truelight,

Honestly, what is it that turns you away from embracing Christianity?

I agree with many of the reasons others have already listed. But primarily, the most compelling reason why I do not embrace Christianity for myself is the sheer unbelievability of Christian theology. I was raised Catholic, and while I appreciated the Golden Rule, from an early age I found the theology wanting and lacking in substance. For me, it simply comes across as bunch of made-up fairy tales, ultimately designed to appeal to the human desire to escape death. A desire I can understand, but the theology was simply too absurd to my thinking to be considered even remotely plausible.

The Bible itself is very uninspiring to me as well. In fact, I find much of it (to be frank) morally abhorrent, bemusingly illogical, and self-contradictory. The very notion of a God, portrayed from (imho) a genocidal maniac in multiple instances on the one hand, to on the other end of the spectrum a God of love, very clearly (to me at least) renders the Christian God a logical impossibility.

This spectrum ultimately leads me to regard the Bible as a kind of Rorshach test. There is such a wide diversity of the good, the bad, and the ugly within it, I think Christians basically come to see in it what they want to see, rather than what is actually stated therein. Or what they pick and choose, if you will. As a result, there are genuine and loving Christians (as well as not so loving ones) in spite of their scripture. I think what any given Christian claims to believe the Bible tells them says a lot more about that individual Christian's basic humanity or decency, than it does about the Bible itself.

I find Buddhism far more methodical, consistent, and sensible in its teachings. I have long ago lost interest in the Christian Churches' teachings, and have been set on the Buddhist path for some time now. It teaches the Golden Rule (called metta which is often translated as "loving-kindness") as well as imo a far more pragmatic and necessarily introspective approach to solving the real problems we face in life.

Do you feel differently about Jesus than you do Christianity?

I believe that if Jesus was a real person, he's likely different from what is written about him decades after his death in the gospels, and after much editing and selective choosing of texts by the formative Church. Who he really was, and if he really was, imo remains a mystery. But as Christian history has demonstrated time and again, Christians see Jesus and his teachings as they wish to see him and his teachings, for better and for worse.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Honestly, what is it that turns you away from embracing Christianity?
They are all pretenders.

Do you feel differently about Jesus than you do Christianity?
How can this question be answered truthfully? Which Jesus are you asking about? I believe and love God the savior. When I say, "Jesus", that is who I mean. I understand the true Jews still have YHVH. But they are not together advocating salvation by YHVH. At least the Christians do that. I love Christians but I sure do wish they were honest and brave.
 

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
I find Christianity to be a powerful and beautiful religion.

My pantheon includes many figures from Christian and Abrahamic mythology, though they are not always perceived in the same manner. YHWH, Michael, Gabriel, Satan, Lilith, Astaroth, Asmodeous, etc.. My spiritual-religious system involves Heavens and Hells, Demons and Angels, Infernal and Celestial forces Above and Below and Within.

I do not abide by the same codes of conduct as Christians do, but I recognize the strength, power, beauty and wisdom of Christian teachings and their potential. I understand how Christianity can be wielded by or against the individual for virtuous or nefarious means, and by or against the masses for virtuous or nefarious means.

I am one who draws power from many religions, not just one. I am not against Christianity... but it is my True Will to embrace and learn from as many religions as I can, and use that power to strengthen my connection to forces Above and Below and Within.



 
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Thief

Rogue Theologian
the persistence of the dogma....
I simply don't nod my head to whatever I am told

and a large portion of it has little to do with the way you think or feel

they just tell you whatever.....and you are suppose to go along with it
no matter what
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
the persistence of the dogma....
I simply don't nod my head to whatever I am told

and a large portion of it has little to do with the way you think or feel

they just tell you whatever.....and you are suppose to go along with it
no matter what
Not no matter what. They bribe and they threaten you. Of course, most people who listen take the bribe, the rest ignore them because they don't make sense.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
For me, it was the practitioners that turned me off to it. Their self assured moral superiority makes me cringe every time.
The narrative does seem misplaced givin how Christians go about with everyday life and living in comparison.

If you happen to notice, there's actually an inert lifeless quality as to the religion itself aside from its following, for which upon observing, Christians have to continually and consistanly struggle and work hard at things just in order to keep it animated and looking like there's something's alive and present.

I saw that many many times when I used to go to church.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Honestly, what is it that turns you away from embracing Christianity?
For the most part, Christians themselves. Christianity isn't the smartest theology going, but it does have its high points.

Do you feel differently about Jesus than you do Christianity?
Oh, for sure, that's why I use the "inside joke" that I'm a friend of the family and therefore have no need for being "saved".
 

Demonslayer

Well-Known Member
Do you feel differently about Jesus than you do Christianity?

I'll answer this part first. I think most people enjoy the Jesus character if you step back and look at the general idea. He's like the cosmic Dudley Do-Right. Love thy enemy, turn the other cheek, help the poor, don't horde possessions and put too much emphasis on material things. Good messages that, if taken in proper measure and without a lot of the associated baggage, can be decent moral guidelines.

As Gandhi famously said "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ" I think that's about the best way to sum up what a lot of people feel. Jesus is a cool comic book character.

Honestly, what is it that turns you away from embracing Christianity?

Lots of really good lists here already. I'll try not to repeat and put some that are personally relevant to me:

1. It's lies presented as truth. To some degree this might be true of all religion, but I was raised Catholic so the lies told to me were of the Christian variety. Only a Catholic or former Catholic in his mid-40s or older might understand how hard the Church, parents and other Catholics drilled in the "truth" about certain supernatural elements of the faith. The wine actually, really, physically transformed into blood during the consecration. Come on. I'm 7 years old and I know that's not true, and yet I have to sit there through CCD (Catholic religious training) and nod my head and pretend I believe it?

Right off that bat at a very young age because of things like this, I know you're lying to me. How can I trust the rest of what you say when you're insisting I believe that cracker is human flesh? The Pope actually talks to God directly? Please. Ditto the Zoo-Boat, global flood, talking bush, talking snake, giants, 800 year old men, etc. I understand not all Christians portray these things as factually true, but many do, and when I was raised in the 70's by my Catholic parents, it was all presented as TRUTH. Even the lesser lies...like hell. How the heck do you know there's a hell??? You don't! If it was presented as a possibility, that's one thing. But it's presented as truth when no one really knows, so to me that's a lie. Speaking of which:

2. Hell. Everything about Christian hell is awful. The fact that any loving God would sentence anyone to eternal agony. The fact that parents teach their very young children about hell, and often use threats of hell as a lazy parenting technique. ("You'll go to hell if you use that kind of language!") The fact that many denominations say even good, kind people go to Hell if they don't follow Jesus. A lot of Christians go through their life in constant fear of hell...or if convinced they are avoiding it due to accepting Jesus... they at least spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about hell and who is going there. It's no way to live.

When I was growing up I was taught 1) All Jews were all going to hell regardless of how good they were unless they converted. 2) Divorced people were all going to hell...and I witnessed a priest at my parish actually tell a grade school girl her parents were going to hell because they were divorced, which sent her off screaming and crying. 3) All homosexuals were going to hell. 4) Anyone who died...even the most pious of Christians...with an unconfessed mortal sin on their record would go to hell. (drive carefully on the way to confession!

What kind of way is that to live? God is going to burn everyone he can in hell, unless they are in constant worship and live perfectly...and even then some believe you can get sent to Hell on a technicality. It's so down-with-people. It's incredibly depressing.

3. Views on sexuality. Everything sexual is sin, dirty, not to be spoken of. Nudity is shameful, sex out of wedlock is a sin, homosexuality is a sin, masturbation is a sin, sex other than for procreation is a sin, oral sex is a sin, anal sex is a sin, boobs on TV is a sin, that skirt is too short she's a tramp, that make up is trashy she's a tramp. Everything is about shame, a woman should be ashamed if she's showing her body, you should feel shame if you masturbate, shame if you feel lust, shame if you watch pornography, shame if you have sex before you're married. The most sexually dysfunctional people I know are deeply religious people. Sex is supposed to be, IMO, one of the most wonderful, fun, fulfilling parts of life, and Christianity makes it next to impossible to feel free enough to enjoy it.

Islam probably trumps Christianity here, but Christianity is a close second when it comes to teaching it's faithful that sex is mostly a dirty, sinful business, to be enjoyed only in the most narrow and specific of circumstances.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Honestly, what is it that turns you away from embracing Christianity?

Far too theistic, too dogmatic and too much of a stranger to Dharma for my tastes.

Do you feel differently about Jesus than you do Christianity?

Not really. I rarely think of Jesus, and I fully doubt he existed as an actual person. For the most part I wonder why people talk so much of him. It just feels odd.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Islam probably trumps Christianity here, but Christianity is a close second when it comes to teaching it's faithful that sex is mostly a dirty, sinful business, to be enjoyed only in the most narrow and specific of circumstances.
Actually, Christianity is the odd one out when it comes to the Abrahamic religions because Christianity, especially Catholicism, is influenced by Gnosticism and other dualist religions like Zoroastrianism and Manicheism. So Christianity typically takes a negative view of the physical world, the body and earthly life. Judaism and Islam do not have asceticism or this dualism between matter/the flesh and the spirit, except for maybe in mystic/occult fringe groups. Judaism and Islam are actually more world-affirming in general than Christianity is.
 
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