Thief
Rogue Theologian
It matters.
That He still believes in Man....includes you.
but true it is .....dogma is easier to display than faith.
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What was The Faith of Jesus of Nazareth?
- Thread starter Awoon
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It matters.
That He still believes in Man....includes you.
but true it is .....dogma is easier to display than faith.
Dogmas cause arguments and are easier to display. Christians love their dogmas more then the teachings FROM Jesus, because they don't "BELIEVE" the teachings.
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
His faith was believing in the Oneness of Allah. This is clearly evident in the bible and quran.
Well sir you seem to love word play for your own reasons.
I posit the above post is an opinion of yours and worth as much as any opinion but an
opinion just the same.
And with as much merit.
You judge all Christians by your opinion.
Yep and by their healings, raising the dead, moving mountains. If Christians cant demonstrate what Jesus told them to do, then they aint Christians.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Well...cut me some slack.
I can't feed a multitude, and the blind are going to stay that way....
I say, if I can do it.....display the parables in life by deed and word.
Might get me killed in the wrong circle of opposition.
It did Him.
But we all die anyway....so if I end up dead for a good thing I said......
Aw com'on woonie. Cut us mere imperfect humans a little slack for being imperfect humans.
I wasn't born perfect nor am I bullet proof.
I can't make a multitude of fishes from a few, hell I can't even catch enough for supper!
Do you really believe a TRUE FOLLOWER OF CHRIST can move a mountain or heal
a leper? Do you not think that if followers of Christ could do such miraculous things that
they would not?
And without Obama care or Blue Cross insurance.
Once again (and again and again and again) you vent your negative, insulting, opinions
about "true Christians" without one bit of support for yet another baseless opinion.
Show us mere mortals Christians how to heal a leper and we'll do it.
Show us some scripture where Jesus commands that we Christians are even supposed to
do these things.
Give some support to your cold, brutal assessments of us Christians who fail so miserably
to become more Christ like.
Which means what? Ethnically his linage was assumed to be from the tribe of Judah. Doesn't really say much about his faith. Could have been a Hellenist or I like to think of Jesus as an Essene. He seemed to have an issue with Pharisee and Sadducee.
Maybe just a disciple of John or maybe just developed his own idea of faith based on whatever his life experiences were.
Basically I don't think anyone can say with a great deal of certainty.
I usually speak from my OWN point of view when it comes to matters of opinion on a public forum. Since I am a follower of Jesus, then I would believe that He followed the Jewish Faith and had faith in God (The God of Abraham). If someone else, who doesn't 1. believe in him at all, 2. Believes he existed but was not the messiah, 3. believes that he was some madman., 4 was a great sage, 5. etc. then they are going to have a different opinion.
What I don't know is which sect of Judaism he followed.
Yes, kind of important to this discussion to know that.
I'd kind of like to know if I'm wrong. Not sure there is enough known to support anything. Might as well go with whatever "feels" right to you.
I lack certainty. Some seem very certain of their knowledge. The kind of certainty that comes from... faith?
I'm not attacking your response. It just seems no real answer to this question so people can believe what they want, who can prove otherwise?
Maybe it's not a real answer, but it's my opinion. It's what I observe written in the Gospels. This[the RF] is just a fun place for me, not really a place for me to have super, serious discussions. If I were to discuss deeper about Yeshua's religious roots, I would probably, in person, ask a Messianic Jew or a member of the Jews for Jesus; they'd probably have the best knowledge of such things.
You can call yourself a follower of the Bible,
Follow the teaching of Jesus you mean. He implied doing so would be pretty difficult for anyone. So Christians believe Jesus will stand by them at judgement to answer for their failings.
Personally I'm against letting others answer for me. So what do you think the "followers" of Jesus should be doing? I mean not doing the miracles but what teaching should they be following?
Ah... sorry, you're right. I'm just curious how folks end up with their beliefs.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
If we really think about it, we are just followers of Jesus. We are following the teachings that Jesus taught written about in the Gospels. Whether it was supposed to be a religion, I am not certain, but it has, indeed become one. The teachings of Jesus were transformed, in some cases, to dogma. Sometimes people who say they are Christians will teach things in the name of Jesus that Jesus never actually taught! A lot of people I go to services with say it isn't really a religion but a relationship. I call it a faith, since I believe in the God of Abraham.
People do forget that the original "Christians" (they did not call themselves that, not in the four Gospels) were Jewish; they followed a sect of the Jewish faith, they followed the Torah, etc.
The fact remains that one can follow almost all of Jesus commands without following any religion and/or faith. (One that would belay that would be "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your strength, and all your soul")
Jesus' teachings are laid out in the Bible. No religion is mentioned, no "faith" is mentioned, because Faith stands on it's own. It is the Substance that stands under everything and holds it up. It isn't a belief system, nor is Faith a religion, way of life, or a person. It isn't a group of people calling themselves anything. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
I'm really surprised that people who called themselves Christian, follower of Jesus/Yeshua, really don't know what Jesus' Faith was. His Faith was simply Faith. There is no other name or label for it.
This ends the discussion of the thread. You all FAIL.
So, was that the purpose of this discussion, so you could tell everyone they failed?