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What was the first sin ever committed ?

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
That is a surprisingly thoughtless, if not stupid, question to ask a Jewish RF member. :)
The citation you are objecting to was part of a sarcastic ridicule of this belief as totally ridiculous mythical synario believed as the dominant view in Christianity.. It was a legitimate sarcastic question considering the insanity of your line of reasoning.

It is surprisingly thoughtless, if not unterly stupid for you to make an annal issue of this, That is why I asked the question.

It is surprisingly thoughtless of you to approach this dialogue in this manner and resort to nit picking grammar fallacy instead of addressing the references provided.
 

idea

Question Everything
There seems to be a lot of varying answers on this so I was curious what people here think it would be.

People make a lot of mistakes, but are innocent through ignorance of sin. Our mistakes are the result of incomplete knowledge, imperfect environments and imperfect genetic makeup. Just as child is treated differently in the courts, we can all be considered children.

Only an all-knowing being is capable of sin.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
That you consider ...



... to be "a factual argument based on academic references" is telling.
Academics doesn't mean much. A person can study mythology and that would be academics also. The fact is that teachers are not required to be factual or even reasonable.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Sin = deliberate disloyalty to God. This could have occurred on other inhabited worlds in other systems before our solar system ever existed.

In the Israelites creation story, one may notice that the "crafty beast" was already fallen when he approached Eve who sinned before Adam.

Since Cain feared people out in the world away from his own tribe we can deduce that the world was old and already populated when Adam and Eve arrived as (2) full grown adults who spoke the language of the crafty beast.
I believe it does appear that non-Adamic people had moral codes. Perhaps some of them are obvious.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Academics doesn't mean much. A person can study mythology and that would be academics also. The fact is that teachers are not required to be factual or even reasonable.
As with all of us, your are characterized by what you demean as much as by what you value.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
There seems to be a lot of varying answers on this so I was curious what people here think it would be.
If a sin is a behavior that harms or threatens to harm, and the individual knows that it is wrong, that would be a sin, right? And if one's group knows that it is wrong, it is safe to say that the individual also knows that it is wrong, right? If that is true, then I would suggest that the first "sin" predates the existence of homo sapiens.

There are documented instances where chimpanzees have punished group members for behavior that could be deemed socially unacceptable within their group.

One such example is the punishment of individuals who violate social norms, such as failing to participate in group defense or showing aggression towards infants. In some cases, chimpanzees have been observed to collectively turn against an aggressive member. For instance, research has shown that chimpanzees may attack and ostracize individuals who have exhibited extreme violence or who pose a threat to the group's stability.

Since we can see from this behavior that chimps do have a concept of sin and punish group members who sin, we can extrapolate from that, that this ability to understand and commit sins comes from an ancestor common to both chimpanzees and humans.

That would mean that the first sin, whatever it was, is so far back in time, that there is really no possible way of knowing what it was.
 
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MayPeaceBeUpOnYou

Active Member
There seems to be a lot of varying answers on this so I was curious what people here think it would be.
According to Islam

The first major sins committed was the murder of Abel by Cain.

First minor sin was committed by Adam and Eve when eating from the forbidden tree which Allah forgave them

Quran 2-35

Prophet Adam after he repented sincerely, showing us the importance of seeking forgiveness and turning back to Allah after making a mistake.

When we speak about the first sin we know of, is that of iblis(Satan) iblis committed a grave sin when he refused to prostrate to Prophet Adam as commanded by Allah.

Quran 7: 11- 13

Surely We created you,1 then shaped you, then said to the angels, “Prostrate before Adam,” so they all did—but not Iblîs,2 who refused to prostrate with the others.
Allah asked, “What prevented you from prostrating when I commanded you?” He replied, “I am better than he is: You created me from fire and him from clay.”
Allah said, “Then get down from Paradise! It is not for you to be arrogant here. So get out! You are truly one of the disgraced.”
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
According to Islam

The first major sins committed was the murder of Abel by Cain.

First minor sin was committed by Adam and Eve when eating from the forbidden tree which Allah forgave them

Quran 2-35

Prophet Adam after he repented sincerely, showing us the importance of seeking forgiveness and turning back to Allah after making a mistake.

When we speak about the first sin we know of, is that of iblis(Satan) iblis committed a grave sin when he refused to prostrate to Prophet Adam as commanded by Allah.

Quran 7: 11- 13

Surely We created you,1 then shaped you, then said to the angels, “Prostrate before Adam,” so they all did—but not Iblîs,2 who refused to prostrate with the others.
Allah asked, “What prevented you from prostrating when I commanded you?” He replied, “I am better than he is: You created me from fire and him from clay.”
Allah said, “Then get down from Paradise! It is not for you to be arrogant here. So get out! You are truly one of the disgraced.”
In that case Islam was wrong but maybe that is in a Hadith and none of those have credibility.
 
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