What will the Second Coming of Christ look like?

[CG Didymus]

My take on those passages.

All Messengers partake of that Virgin Birth. They are born of Women but not of the Spirit of man, they are born of the Holy Spirit. They appear to be a man like unto us.

Matthew 28:18 - "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."

The name has meaning;

Immanuel (Hebrew: עִמָּנוּאֵל meaning, "God with us".

Curds, Milk and honey have meaning

Milk is the nourishment a child needs to develop. Thus our milk in this world is the spiritual teachings.

Honey has properties not found in other foods, it is pure and long lasting in that purity.

Curd is as a great probiotic and Improves our immunity.

Numbers have great meaning in Scripture.

It is up to us to read it all with Spiritual intentions.

Regards Tony

Wow, Christians don't even try to make those verses fit Jesus. So again, prophecy is fulfilled. Milk is spiritual teachings and honey and curds are good for the health? Unbelievable! Then of course, everything Baha'i say is true... one way or another. But... who was this child that fulfilled this "sign" in Isaiah's time? Since it was a sign for King Ahaz.

 

[Trailblazer]

The whole essense of the messianic era and the messiah that will reign during it IS that it gives us something to look forward to in the end of days. If it is a dream, it will be a dream come true. And I fail to see how the Baha'i interpretation isn't just as dreamy.

I never said that the Baha’i interpretation is not just as dreamy. It might even be dreamier…

“God’s purpose is none other than to usher in, in ways He alone can bring about, and the full significance of which He alone can fathom, the Great, the Golden Age of a long-divided, a long-afflicted humanity. Its present state, indeed even its immediate future, is dark, distressingly dark. Its distant future, however, is radiant, gloriously radiant—so radiant that no eye can visualize it.

“The winds of despair,” writes Bahá’u’lláh, as He surveys the immediate destinies of mankind, “are, alas, blowing from every direction, and the strife that divides and afflicts the human race is daily increasing. The signs of impending convulsions and chaos can now be discerned, inasmuch as the prevailing order appears to be lamentably defective.” “Such shall be its plight,” He, in another connection, has declared, “that to disclose it now would not be meet and seemly.” “These fruitless strifes,” He, on the other hand, contemplating the future of mankind, has emphatically prophesied, in the course of His memorable interview with the Persian orientalist, Edward G. Browne, “these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the ‘Most Great Peace’ shall come…. These strifes and this bloodshed and discord must cease, and all men be as one kindred and one family.” “Soon,” He predicts, “will the present-day order be rolled up, and a new one spread out in its stead.” “After a time,” He also has written, “all the governments on earth will change. Oppression will envelop the world. And following a universal convulsion, the sun of justice will rise from the horizon of the unseen realm.” “The whole earth,” He, moreover, has stated, “is now in a state of pregnancy. The day is approaching when it will have yielded its noblest fruits, when from it will have sprung forth the loftiest trees, the most enchanting blossoms, the most heavenly blessings.” “All nations and kindreds,” ‘Abdu’l-Bahá likewise has written, “…will become a single nation. Religious and sectarian antagonism, the hostility of races and peoples, and differences among nations, will be eliminated. All men will adhere to one religion, will have one common faith, will be blended into one race, and become a single people. All will dwell in one common fatherland, which is the planet itself.” The Promised Day Is Come, pp. 116-117

You don't think a God man is superhuman (meaning human but also more than human).

Superhuman means “having or showing exceptional ability or powers” so in that sense a Manifestation of God is superhuman, since He has innate knowledge and knows things that He never learned in any schools.

“O KING! I was but a man like others, asleep upon My couch, when lo, the breezes of the All-Glorious were wafted over Me, and taught Me the knowledge of all that hath been. This thing is not from Me, but from One Who is Almighty and All-Knowing. And He bade Me lift up My voice between earth and heaven, and for this there befell Me what hath caused the tears of every man of understanding to flow.The learning current amongst men I studied not; their schools I entered not. Ask of the city wherein I dwelt, that thou mayest be well assured that I am not of them who speak falsely. This is but a leaf which the winds of the will of thy Lord, the Almighty, the All-Praised, have stirred.”” Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 57

Just a friendly share. Although Judaism doesn't have this particular kind of "Manifestations of God" that Baha'i has, we have something else interesting. It is said that in every generation there are 36 righteous men, unknown to themselves or to us. It is said that no matter how depraved the world gets, God will not strike out in anger for the sake of these 36 righteous men. This is on my mind because yesterday I was reading an article by someone who wondered if Fred Rogers (of Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood) weren't one of the 36. Mr Rogers has a special place in my heart.

Thanks for sharing that, it is interesting. I guess that means that God will not destroy the earth as some people believe. That reminds me of a post I saw posted on Baha’i Forums about a week ago. I cannot find the quote right now but it said that all the natural disasters we have seen on earth are the direct result of God’s wrath owing to human disobedience to His commands.

Apparently, Judaism does share the belief that God has wrath and God gets angry. I am not familiar with the Tanakh and I only know some of what is in the Old Testament because of the discussions on these forums, but one common complaint among nonbelievers is that God is a really mean dude, to put it lightly and because of all the things God purportedly did in the OT God cannot be All-Loving. So the question would be if man deserved God’s wrath and Baha’is believe that man did deserve what he got because God is just. Also, Baha’u’llah wrote that God’s wrath is for our own good in the long run because without it humanity would continue in their perversity.

We share a common culture. I was born in Redondo Beach, and have spent most of my life living in Los Angeles County. I spent my childhood by the beach, and miss it, but it's still within driving range.

I never lived in one state all my life like some people. I have lived in nine different. I moved away from California over 30 years ago, and I have not been back to California since. I now consider Washington State my home but I do not know what the future holds since retirement is looming large on the horizon.

I am within driving distance from the beach too but I never go there anymore. My life took a turn about seven years ago and I cannot turn it back.

Actually whether this "representative" interprets correctly is a test of whether he is truly a representative, of just a "nice try, but no cigar."

Do you mean correctly, according to “what you believe” the scripture means?

I would state that differently: If He is a Representative of God His interpretation trumps all other interpretations. That is logic 101 stuff because a Representative of God is infallible, since He represents God is who is infallible. It is totally inappropriate to test a Representative of God because that is the same as testing God. Of course, since you do not “believe” that Baha’u’llah was a Representative of God you do not have to accept that as inappropriate. I am just stating a principle, an IF/THEN logic statement.

That brings up the question of why people think they have the correct interpretation and others are wrong. What gives them that ability or that authority to interpret scriptures correctly?

The reason we Jews so easily turn away from these newer monotheisms is that, honestly, they twist our scriptures. Anyone who does that can't possibly be the Messiah (or a Manifestation or whatever).

To say they twist them implies someone had the correct interpretation and someone else came along and changed it (twisted it). I cannot abide by that. Besides that, nobody owns any scriptures. Just because they were originally revealed to the Jews does not mean they alone have possession of them.

Look, this isn't fair. I offered you a good solid verse about the Messiah being David, and asked you who David was if not the King of Israel who ruled from Jerusalem. Your response was to avoid answering, saying, "well I'm just not that familiar with the Tanakh." You can't reject what you don't understand.

I cannot believe something just because you told me it is true, that would be foolish. I certainly would not expect you to believe something just because I told you it was true and quoted a few passages from the Baha’i Writings out of context.

I have to reject what I do not understand unless I come to understand it and accept it as true. I need to know more than a verse or two in order to understand and the context of the verses are also very important. To you it might seem very straightforward but you are very familiar with your scriptures. Please bear in mind that I am only familiar with OT prophecies and I only understand them from a Baha’i point of view as having been fulfilled and how they were fulfilled.

You put me in an impossible position since I do not know your scriptures and I cannot just learn them overnight. If you were willing to read those links I posted to the short articles that refer to David at least we would have something to discuss. Then you would understand what I believe and I could look at particular verses you believe refute that.

Was Christ the Messiah? Christians and Jews Disagree

Fulfilling the Prophecies of Judaism and Christianity

So I'm just curious. Do Baha'is have winter holidays like Christmas and Chanukah?

The Baha’i calendar is has 19 months and there are 19 days in each month (see attached).

The Baha’i New Year starts on March 21 so that is the big celebration.

“There are nine annual Bahá'í holy days plus an annual fast. With the exception of New Year, Bahá'í holidays commemorate major events in the lives of the founders of the Bahá'í Faith.”

Baha'i holidays

The Bahá'í holidays and special days are as follows:

• March 2-21 - Nineteen Day Fast
• March 21 - Bahá'í New Year
• April 21 - First Day of the Ridván Festival
• April 29 - Ninth Day of the Ridván Festival
• May 2 - Twelfth Day of the Ridván Festival
• May 23 - Declaration of the Báb
• May 29 - Ascension of Bahá'u'lláh
• July 9 - Martyrdom of the Báb
• October 20 - Birth of the Báb
• November 12 - Birth of Bahá'u'lláh
• November 26 - Day of the Covenant (work not suspended)
• November 28 - Ascension of 'Abdu'l-Bahá (work not suspended)

Baha'i Holidays and Festivals

 

[Trailblazer]

Remember what I said to you earlier. I don't read websites that are used in lieu of a post. I can surf the web another time. Right now I am here to chat with *you*, you wonderful you! If there are important points from that website you want to share with me, you are welcome to do so with your own words and short quotes. Please? With strawberries and cream?

The history is all interesting but the part that jumped out at me is what happened in the 1840s, the widespread Messianic prediction . As you might know the Bab appeared in 1844 and Baha’is believe that was the beginning of the Baha’i Cycle which we call the Cycle of Fulfillment, since it was the fulfillment of prophecy. This expectation was similar happened among Christians there was a widespread prediction that Christ would return in 1844.

A widespread Messianic prediction sparks a renewed interest in immigration to Eretz Yisrael (Kol Hator). This prediction is circulated in the Balkans and in Eastern Europe. (Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 16, pp. 1034; Morgenstern, Arie. “Dispersion and Longing for Zion, 1240-1840”. Azure.)

1840

Rabbi Yehuda Alkalai (1798-1878) begins spreading his belief that this is the time of the Messiah. He believes that settling the land of Israel will hasten the coming of the Redemption. (Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 16, pp. 1034)

1843

Rabbi Yehuda Alkalai publishes Minchat Yehuda (Yehuda’s Offering). In the book he elaborates on the need for human initiatives, which will hurry the coming of the Redemption.

1844

The Christadelphians, a Christian Zionist group, is founded in England. It supports the Jews’ return to Zion. The group supports the Hibbat Zion movement, which assists the Jews in their efforts to resettle the Holy Land. (Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 16, pp. 1153)

Well there are somethings which grow, and other things which are constant. If you believe the Tanakh, our covenant is everlasting. I guess what I'm saying is that you can't accept our sacred texts and yours both, since they conflict on this point.

I think the conflict ensues because your interpretation of your texts, your understanding. I have discussed the everlasting covenant with Jews in the past but it has been years so I have forgotten what we discussed and what they said.

Special just means different, set apart from the norm. I just read you saying that Baha'is have their own covenant, and rules they are bound to that others are not obligated to. That IS special. I think sometimes people think that if you say "special" you are being arrogant. But that's not always the case.

That is true, but as far as the Covenant is concerned Baha’is believe there is more than one kind of Covenant. There is the Greater Covenant wherein God promises never to leave man alone without guidance and in return man agrees to follow that guidance. From a Baha’i point of view, that guidance comes to mankind by way of Messengers of God (Prophets) who reveal scriptures that become a religion. Every religion has their scriptures and their own Covenant which is made between the Messenger and the followers, so I am assuming that Moses made a Covenant between Himself and the Jewish people. Likewise, Jesus made a Covenant and I assume Muhammad made a Covenant, although I am not that familiar with Islam. Of course, Baha’u’llah also made a Covenant between Himself and His followers. This Covenant is binding on the followers. The Covenant of Baha’u’llah is not binding on Jews, Christians, or Muslims because they have not recognized Baha’u’llah. However, as the following quote from Wikipedia says the followers of each religion are seen to have a duty to God to investigate the claims of the Manifestations of God (i.e., Messengers, Prophets) that come after the one they believe in.

Covenant in the Bahá'í Faith refers to two separate binding agreements between God and man.[1]A Covenant in the religious sense is a binding agreement made between God and man wherein a certain behaviour is required of man and in return God guarantees certain blessings.......

The greater covenant refers to the covenant made between each messenger from God, which the literature of the Bahá'í Faith name Manifestations of God, and his followers regarding the coming of the next Manifestation from God.[1] According to Bahá'u'lláh, the founder of the Bahá'í Faith, God has promised that he will send a succession of messengers that will instruct humankind.[2] In Bahá'í belief, this covenant is seen to be expressed in prophecy in the religious scripture of each religion, and each Manifestation of God, such as Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, the Báb,[3] and Bahá'u'lláh, prophesied the next Manifestation.[1] In return, the followers of each religion are seen to have a duty to investigate the claims of the following Manifestations.[1]

Covenant of Bahá'u'lláh

So you basically believe the world will get a theological overhaul by Baha'i the same way we believe the overhaul will be via Judaism. I honestly don't think we are different in this particular way.

No, we are not that different. I am assuming you think the overhaul will happen by virtue of the recognition of the Messiah who will straighten everyone out. Similarly, Baha’is believe that the overhaul will come when everyone recognizes Baha’u’llah who already straightened everything out in His Writings.

Moreover, we believe that eventually everyone in the heavens and on earth will recognize who Baha’u’llah was, because that is stated in this passage wherein His Cause means the Cause of Baha’u’llah. (The Baha’i Faith is often referred to as a Cause rather than a religion.)

“Warn and acquaint the people, O Servant, with the things We have sent down unto Thee, and let the fear of no one dismay Thee, and be Thou not of them that waver. The day is approaching when God will have exalted His Cause and magnified His testimony in the eyes of all who are in the heavens and all who are on the earth. Place, in all circumstances, Thy whole trust in Thy Lord, and fix Thy gaze upon Him, and turn away from all them that repudiate His truth. Let God, Thy Lord, be Thy sufficing succorer and helper. We have pledged Ourselves to secure Thy triumph upon earth and to exalt Our Cause above all men, though no king be found who would turn his face towards Thee.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 248-249

 

[3rdAngel]

The history is all interesting but the part that jumped out at me is what happened in the 1840s, the widespread Messianic prediction . As you might know the Bab appeared in 1844 and Baha’is believe that was the beginning of the Baha’i Cycle which we call the Cycle of Fulfillment, since it was the fulfillment of prophecy. This expectation was similar happened among Christians there was a widespread prediction that Christ would return in 1844.

A widespread Messianic prediction sparks a renewed interest in immigration to Eretz Yisrael (Kol Hator). This prediction is circulated in the Balkans and in Eastern Europe. (Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 16, pp. 1034; Morgenstern, Arie. “Dispersion and Longing for Zion, 1240-1840”. Azure.)

1840

Rabbi Yehuda Alkalai (1798-1878) begins spreading his belief that this is the time of the Messiah. He believes that settling the land of Israel will hasten the coming of the Redemption. (Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 16, pp. 1034)

1843

Rabbi Yehuda Alkalai publishes Minchat Yehuda (Yehuda’s Offering). In the book he elaborates on the need for human initiatives, which will hurry the coming of the Redemption.

1844

The Christadelphians, a Christian Zionist group, is founded in England. It supports the Jews’ return to Zion. The group supports the Hibbat Zion movement, which assists the Jews in their efforts to resettle the Holy Land. (Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 16, pp. 1153)


That is true, but as far as the Covenant is concerned Baha’is believe there is more than one kind of Covenant. There is the Greater Covenant wherein God promises never to leave man alone without guidance and in return man agrees to follow that guidance. From a Baha’i point of view, that guidance comes to mankind by way of Messengers of God (Prophets) who reveal scriptures that become a religion. Every religion has their scriptures and their own Covenant which is made between the Messenger and the followers, so I am assuming that Moses made a Covenant between Himself and the Jewish people. Likewise, Jesus made a Covenant and I assume Muhammad made a Covenant, although I am not that familiar with Islam. Of course, Baha’u’llah also made a Covenant between Himself and His followers. This Covenant is binding on the followers. The Covenant of Baha’u’llah is not binding on Jews, Christians, or Muslims because they have not recognized Baha’u’llah. However, as the following quote from Wikipedia says the followers of each religion are seen to have a duty to God to investigate the claims of the Manifestations of God (i.e., Messengers, Prophets) that come after the one they believe in.

Covenant in the Bahá'í Faith refers to two separate binding agreements between God and man.[1]A Covenant in the religious sense is a binding agreement made between God and man wherein a certain behaviour is required of man and in return God guarantees certain blessings.......

The greater covenant refers to the covenant made between each messenger from God, which the literature of the Bahá'í Faith name Manifestations of God, and his followers regarding the coming of the next Manifestation from God.[1] According to Bahá'u'lláh, the founder of the Bahá'í Faith, God has promised that he will send a succession of messengers that will instruct humankind.[2] In Bahá'í belief, this covenant is seen to be expressed in prophecy in the religious scripture of each religion, and each Manifestation of God, such as Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, the Báb,[3] and Bahá'u'lláh, prophesied the next Manifestation.[1] In return, the followers of each religion are seen to have a duty to investigate the claims of the following Manifestations.[1]

Covenant of Bahá'u'lláh

No, we are not that different. I am assuming you think the overhaul will happen by virtue of the recognition of the Messiah who will straighten everyone out. Similarly, Baha’is believe that the overhaul will come when everyone recognizes Baha’u’llah who already straightened everything out in His Writings.

Moreover, we believe that eventually everyone in the heavens and on earth will recognize who Baha’u’llah was, because that is stated in this passage wherein His Cause means the Cause of Baha’u’llah. (The Baha’i Faith is often referred to as a Cause rather than a religion.)

“Warn and acquaint the people, O Servant, with the things We have sent down unto Thee, and let the fear of no one dismay Thee, and be Thou not of them that waver. The day is approaching when God will have exalted His Cause and magnified His testimony in the eyes of all who are in the heavens and all who are on the earth. Place, in all circumstances, Thy whole trust in Thy Lord, and fix Thy gaze upon Him, and turn away from all them that repudiate His truth. Let God, Thy Lord, be Thy sufficing succorer and helper. We have pledged Ourselves to secure Thy triumph upon earth and to exalt Our Cause above all men, though no king be found who would turn his face towards Thee.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 248-249

ZZzzzz

 

[Trailblazer]

ZZzzzz

About what?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Apparently, Judaism does share the belief that God has wrath and God gets angry.

Technically, God's anger is an anthropomorphism, just as references to his body are. Emotions are products of the limbic systerm in our brains. God has no brain. He transcends emotions. However, we as human beings, understand that certain behaviors of God seem to be "as if" he were angry.

Do you mean correctly, according to “what you believe” the scripture means?

I think, with few exceptions for interpretation, the sacred texts are very clear at face value. So, no, it is not what I interpret, but what God means.

I would state that differently: If He is a Representative of God His interpretation trumps all other interpretations. That is logic 101 stuff because a Representative of God is infallible, since He represents God is who is infallible. It is totally inappropriate to test a Representative of God because that is the same as testing God. Of course, since you do not “believe” that Baha’u’llah was a Representative of God you do not have to accept that as inappropriate. I am just stating a principle, an IF/THEN logic statement.

Well, the problem is that I use the Tanakh as a test, a reed against which I measure all other claims, and the writings of the Baha'u'llah as you have represented them simply don't match the Tanakh. Therefore I go with the Tanakh and not with your scriptures.

That brings up the question of why people think they have the correct interpretation and others are wrong. What gives them that ability or that authority to interpret scriptures correctly?

The correct interpretation is apparent at face value -- very easy to see. Those without an axe to grind (such as secular scholars) agree with Jews on what it is trying to say. It is only those who are missionizing for some other newer religion who wish to interpret it outside of the obvious meaning.

Just because they were originally revealed to the Jews does not mean they alone have possession of them.

It means that these scriptures belong to us and are our responsibility. As I said, anyone who wants to read them and be inspired by them is more than welcome to. But to misappropriate them and twist them into some esoteric understanding? That is a pet peeve of mine.

You put me in an impossible position since I do not know your scriptures and I cannot just learn them overnight. If you were willing to read those links I posted to the short articles that refer to David at least we would have something to discuss. Then you would understand what I believe and I could look at particular verses you believe refute that.

Now you are just insulting me. This is the third time that I've explained that I don't read links that are used in lieu of a post. You need to pick out the pertinent points and put them into your own words, using short quotes if necessary, and then cite. The only purpose of a link is as a citation, in my book.

I've given you a good review about who David is. YOu have everything you need to understand that prophecy of the Messiah being David.

I hope I will continue to be able to make time to carry on our interesting conversation! I am increasingly busy right now with various things, especially doctor appointments. And then there will be Chanukah as well. Please be understanding if my replies are a bit tardy. Thanks!!!!

 

[3rdAngel]

About what?

About just about everything you have posted. It is not biblical

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The history is all interesting but the part that jumped out at me is what happened in the 1840s, the widespread Messianic prediction . As you might know the Bab appeared in 1844 and Baha’is believe that was the beginning of the Baha’i Cycle which we call the Cycle of Fulfillment, since it was the fulfillment of prophecy. This expectation was similar happened among Christians there was a widespread prediction that Christ would return in 1844.

A widespread Messianic prediction sparks a renewed interest in immigration to Eretz Yisrael (Kol Hator). This prediction is circulated in the Balkans and in Eastern Europe. (Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 16, pp. 1034; Morgenstern, Arie. “Dispersion and Longing for Zion, 1240-1840”. Azure.)

1840

Rabbi Yehuda Alkalai (1798-1878) begins spreading his belief that this is the time of the Messiah. He believes that settling the land of Israel will hasten the coming of the Redemption. (Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 16, pp. 1034)

1843

Rabbi Yehuda Alkalai publishes Minchat Yehuda (Yehuda’s Offering). In the book he elaborates on the need for human initiatives, which will hurry the coming of the Redemption.

1844

The Christadelphians, a Christian Zionist group, is founded in England. It supports the Jews’ return to Zion. The group supports the Hibbat Zion movement, which assists the Jews in their efforts to resettle the Holy Land. (Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 16, pp. 1153)

I'm pretty sure that the Christadelphians are not considered Christians, since they reject the Trinity. But we'd have to ask the Christians.

Christians have been predicting the return of Jesus ever since he "left." Just in the last 50 years I think there have been a handful of predictions. It's tiring.

At least in Judaism, we don't put dates on the coming of the Messiah. Sure there are times in history that are more Messianic. And there are subgroups of Jews (such as Chabad) that are more Messianic. But really we pale in comparison to the Christians. All in all, the Messiah just isn't that big a deal in Judaism compared to keeping the covenant (laws).

That is true, but as far as the Covenant is concerned Baha’is believe there is more than one kind of Covenant. There is the Greater Covenant wherein God promises never to leave man alone without guidance and in return man agrees to follow that guidance. From a Baha’i point of view, that guidance comes to mankind by way of Messengers of God (Prophets) who reveal scriptures that become a religion. Every religion has their scriptures and their own Covenant which is made between the Messenger and the followers, so I am assuming that Moses made a Covenant between Himself and the Jewish people. Likewise, Jesus made a Covenant and I assume Muhammad made a Covenant, although I am not that familiar with Islam. Of course, Baha’u’llah also made a Covenant between Himself and His followers. This Covenant is binding on the followers. The Covenant of Baha’u’llah is not binding on Jews, Christians, or Muslims because they have not recognized Baha’u’llah. However, as the following quote from Wikipedia says the followers of each religion are seen to have a duty to God to investigate the claims of the Manifestations of God (i.e., Messengers, Prophets) that come after the one they believe in.

Moses never made a covenant. It was God that made the covenant. He even spoke to the people himself, if you believe the Torah. Christians also believe that their "New Covenant" was made by God." Who cares if a covenant is made by a man?

Covenant in the Bahá'í Faith

refers to two separate binding agreements between God and man.[1]A Covenant in the religious sense is a binding agreement made between God and man wherein a certain behaviour is required of man and in return God guarantees certain blessings.......

Well, the covenant with Israel is both conditional and unconditional. For example, God gave the Land of Canaan to Abraham and his descendants through Isaac and Jacob without condition. However the right to live on the land is conditional on obedience. So there is always the possibility that we will not live on the land, even though during such times it still belongs to us.

Be well!!!

 

[IndigoChild5559]

About just about everything you have posted. It is not biblical

Trailblazer is Baha'i, not Christian.

 

[Trailblazer]

About just about everything you have posted. It is not biblical

So you are confused about anything that is not biblical?

 

[3rdAngel]

So you are confused about anything that is not biblical?

For me I believe anything that is not biblical or contradicts the scriptures is not of God.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Then of course, everything Baha'i say is true

What Baha'u'llah said, Is.

Regards Tony

 

[IndigoChild5559]

For me I believe anything that is not biblical or contradicts the scriptures is not of God.

What do you do when the Tanakh (the OT) which is older, which is the original scriptures, contradicts your new-fangled scriptures?

 

[3rdAngel]

What do you do when the Tanakh (the OT) which is older, which is the original scriptures, contradicts your new-fangled scriptures?

They don't. Everything in the new comes from the Old.

 

[Trailblazer]

For me I believe anything that is not biblical or contradicts the scriptures is not of God.

Nothing I believe in contradicts the Bible.

 

[3rdAngel]

Nothing I believe in contradicts the Bible.

Sure it does. You just do not see it.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

They don't. Everything in the new comes from the Old.

Oh, but they DO. Your Christian scriptures repeatedly quotes the Tanakh out of context and misquotes it. Or here: explain how this verse makes up a prophecy out of Jeremiah that simply doesn't exist -- Matthew 27:9-10

Furthermore, your Christian scriptures invent whole new doctrines that are nowhere found in the Tanakh. For example, nowhere in the Tanakh do you find the idea of a Messiah dying for people's sins. Or the idea that it doesn't matter if you obey God or not because no one is good enough. Or that without blood there is no remission of sins. I could go on.

 

[Trailblazer]

Sure it does. You just do not see it.

It only contradicts your interpretation of the Bible, NOT the Bible.

 

[3rdAngel]

Oh, but they DO. Your Christian scriptures repeatedly quotes the Tanakh out of context and misquotes it. Or here: explain how this verse makes up a prophecy out of Jeremiah that simply doesn't exist -- Matthew 27:9-10

Furthermore, your Christian scriptures invent whole new doctrines that are nowhere found in the Tanakh. For example, nowhere in the Tanakh do you find the idea of a Messiah dying for people's sins. Or the idea that it doesn't matter if you obey God or not because no one is good enough. Or that without blood there is no remission of sins. I could go on.

Oh but they do not. The JEWS were given the oracles of God but did not understand the scriptures that spoke about the coming of the Messiah. Instead your farthers put the Messiah on a tree and crucified him. Today with eyes and ears closed they justify their actions with "taken out of context" when they themselves did not understand the context or the scriptures that were given to them because they did not believe and follow God's Word and turned away from it. Behold as the scriptures teach your house is left unto you desolate. You are still waiting in the airport to go on your holiday not knowing your plane has already departed.

 

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It only contradicts your interpretation of the Bible, NOT the Bible.

Indeed spiritual things are spiritually discerned. God's Spirit works through the Word of God not outside of it.