What will the Second Coming of Christ look like?

[IndigoChild5559]

Oh but they do not. The JEWS were given the oracles of God but did not understand the scriptures that spoke about the coming of the Messiah. Instead your farthers put him on a tree and crucified him. Today with eyes and ears closed they justify their actions withe taken out of context when they themselves did not understand the context or the scriptures that were given to them because they did not believe and follow God's Word. Behold as the scriptures teach your house is left unto you desolate.

We understand our scriptures just fine. What we fail to understand is the way that Christians imagine Jesus on every page of the Tanakh when he is clearly not there. For example, you see him there in Hosea 11:1 "When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son." It's clearly about the Exodus of Isreal from Egypt, and not messianic at all. When Matthew misappropriates verses in this way, it makes us less likely to become Christians, not more likely. Why would we come and get baptized when you twist our beloved scriptures?

Here is news for you. The Romans executed Jesus, and they did so because he claimed to be King of the Jews. They executed dozens of messiahs and rabble rousers.

If you think our house is desolate, you need to come visit!!! It is rich and full. The only people who think Judaism is lacking are those who have no experience with Jews and Judaism!!! Come visit and learn -- not to become a Jew, just to get to know us better.

 

[Trailblazer]

Indeed spiritual things are spiritually discerned. God's Spirit works through the Word of God not outside of it.

The Bible is not the only Word of God.

 

[3rdAngel]

We understand our scriptures just fine.

Well that is not true. If you did you would not have crucified the Messiah and known of his coming.

What we fail to understand is the way that Christians imagine Jesus on every page of the Tanakh when he is clearly not there.

Indeed that is why your still waiting in the airport for a plane that has already left.

For example, you see him there in Hosea 11:1 "When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son." It's clearly about the Exodus of Isreal from Egypt, and not messianic at all.

It is actually about both. ISRAEL represent both God's people (the body) and JESUS as the head of his people. They are the anti-type of Jacob (ISRAEL) and his children (the 12 sons; tribes of ISRAEL (Jacaob) *Genesis 35:22-26.

Jesus and all those who believe and follow God's Word (his children) are God's true Israel (Matthew 2:13-15; Hosea 11:1; Hebrews 2:13; Isaiah 8:16,18; John 13:33; Ephesians 2:11-13; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29; Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13), the true "overcomer" (John 16:33; Revelation 3:21), the real "Prince" with God (Isaiah 9:6; Daniel 8:11,25, 9:25, 10:13,21, 11:22, 12:1; Acts 3:15, 5:31; Revelation 1:5), being Lord over His own house, whose house are we (Psalms 98:3; Hebrews 3:6; Jeremiah 31:33), who himself is the "elect" (Isaiah 42:1; Matthew 12:18; 1 Peter 2:6) of the Father, in whom all the promises of God find their realization (2 Corinthians 1:20). The promises made by God were all based upon condition (Exodus 19). Mat 2:13-15; Hos 11:1; Jer 31:33; Rom 9:6-8; Heb 2:13; Isa 8:16,18; Jhn 13:33, 16:33, 17:12, 18:9, 21:5; 1 Cor 15:46; 2 Cor 1:20; Gal 6:16; Heb 3:6, 8:8,10; Rev 3:21

'Israel' "after the flesh", as a 'nation', is left desolate (Matthew 23:38; Luke 13:35), to bear no more fruit ever again (Matthew 21:19), cursed, withered away (Mark 11:21), dried up from the roots (Mark 11:20), "twice dead" (Jude 1:12), and the axe already laid at their root (Matthew 3:10; Luke 3:9), cut down and to be thrown into the fire.

The New [or Everlasting] Covenant is only made with the spiritual “Israel” who include all those who believe and follow God's Word (Jesus Christ, the "elect" of the Father; Isaiah 42:1; Matthew 12:18-20; John 10:26-27; Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:10-12; Ephesians 2:11-13; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29; Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13; this “Judah” (Revelation 5:5) and His “house” (2 Corinthians 1:20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.; – for Christ Jesus, the true “Israel” the “elect” of God, and thus all who choose to be in Him; see Isaiah 42:1, 45:4, 65:9).

When Matthew misappropriates verses in this way, it makes us less likely to become Christians, not more likely. Why would we come and get baptized when you twist our beloved scriptures?

There is no misappropriation of the scriptures if the nations of ISRAEL truly loved the scriptures they would not have forsaken them. Now according to the scriptures God's ISRAEL are all those who believe and follow Gods' Word.

Here is news for you. The Romans executed Jesus, and they did so because he claimed to be King of the Jews. They executed dozens of messiahs and rabble rousers.

The Romans did execute JESUS on behalf of the leadership of ISRAEL because they did not know the day of their visitation. He came unto his own but his own received him not.

If you think our house is desolate, you need to come visit!!! It is rich and full. The only people who think Judaism is lacking are those who have no experience with Jews and Judaism!!! Come visit and learn -- not to become a Jew, just to get to know us better.

You have no temple because God has left it desolate because you did not know what it represented or did you know what the sin offerings pointed to. Now your waiting in the airport for your plane to take you on holiday not knowing that your plan has already departed.

 

[3rdAngel]

The Bible is not the only Word of God.

For me I believe if something disagrees with the bible or speaks contrary to it than it is not God's Word.

 

[Trailblazer]

For me I believe if something disagrees with the bible or speaks contrary to it than it is not God's Word.

I know, you already said that.
Why do you think that other scriptures disagree with the Bible or contradict it?

 

[3rdAngel]

I know, you already said that.
Why do you think that other scriptures disagree with the Bible or contradict it?

What other scriptures?

 

[Trailblazer]

Technically, God's anger is an anthropomorphism, just as references to his body are. Emotions are products of the limbic system in our brains. God has no brain. He transcends emotions. However, we as human beings, understand that certain behaviors of God seem to be "as if" he were angry.

Do you believe what is in your scriptures were actual thoughts and feelings and behaviors of God? If so, that is anthropomorphizing God, unless you interpret them metaphorically.

I think, with few exceptions for interpretation, the sacred texts are very clear at face value. So, no, it is not what I interpret, but what God means.

If it was that clear, nobody would disagree as to its meaning and there would not be varied opinions and different sects, but there are, which means it cannot be that clear.

Well, the problem is that I use the Tanakh as a test, a reed against which I measure all other claims, and the writings of the Baha'u'llah as you have represented them simply don't match the Tanakh. Therefore I go with the Tanakh and not with your scriptures.

That is exactly what Christians say about the Bible. You can go with whatever scriptures you want and I will go with mine. I have no reason to go with ancient scriptures when I have new scriptures with a message and teachings and laws that suit the needs of this age in history.

The correct interpretation is apparent at face value -- very easy to see. Those without an axe to grind (such as secular scholars) agree with Jews on what it is trying to say. It is only those who are missionizing for some other newer religion who wish to interpret it outside of the obvious meaning.

There might be some scriptures whose meaning is very easy to see, but certainly not all the scriptures, and certainly not the prophecies that predict the Messiah.

Of course Christians say the same things, but it cannot be so, since Christians do not agree about the meanings of their scriptures and neither do Jews. So you have a real logical problem to deal with.

It means that these scriptures belong to us and are our responsibility. As I said, anyone who wants to read them and be inspired by them is more than welcome to. But to misappropriate them and twist them into some esoteric understanding? That is a pet peeve of mine.

That would be like me saying that the Baha’i Writings belong to the Baha’is and nobody can interpret them any way other than how we interpret them. Of course the Baha’i Faith administration is responsible for the safekeeping of the original tablets but other than that anyone can interpret them as they want to.

Now you are just insulting me. This is the third time that I've explained that I don't read links that are used in lieu of a post. You need to pick out the pertinent points and put them into your own words, using short quotes if necessary, and then cite. The only purpose of a link is as a citation, in my book.

I am not insulting you. If you do not want to discuss David being the Messiah again that is fine by me, but I am not going to try to put the articles in my own words. Not only would it take too long but I would be changing the meanings of the authors.

I've given you a good review about who David is. You have everything you need to understand that prophecy of the Messiah being David.

No, I don’t have everything I need but it would not matter if I had the whole Torah/Tanakh, since I will not interpret it the way you do. I will never believe David is the Messiah so it is best not to discuss this anymore. You have your beliefs, I have mine. I already have my Messiah, you are still waiting for yours.

I hope I will continue to be able to make time to carry on our interesting conversation! I am increasingly busy right now with various things, especially doctor appointments. And then there will be Chanukah as well. Please be understanding if my replies are a bit tardy. Thanks!!!!

I am also busy all the time, especially on my work days, Tuesday-Friday, so I have to squeeze even a few posts in on those days, and if they are long I cannot always get to them in a day or two. But I try to catch up on my days off since I am at home all the time on those days.

 

[Trailblazer]

What other scriptures?

The Qur'an and the Writings of Baha'u'llah.

 

[Trailblazer]

I'm pretty sure that the Christadelphians are not considered Christians, since they reject the Trinity. But we'd have to ask the Christians.

Christians have been predicting the return of Jesus ever since he "left." Just in the last 50 years I think there have been a handful of predictions. It's tiring.

It is tiring listening to them, and is also very sad, since Jesus is NEVER coming back. Some liberal Christians have stopped waiting but the fundamentalists still wait and they will wait till hell freezes over.

At least in Judaism, we don't put dates on the coming of the Messiah. Sure there are times in history that are more Messianic. And there are subgroups of Jews (such as Chabad) that are more Messianic. But really we pale in comparison to the Christians. All in all, the Messiah just isn't that big a deal in Judaism compared to keeping the covenant (laws).

That is good to hear. Keeping our Covenant and being obedient to our laws is the most important thing for Baha’is. We have that in common with Jews. Here is how important it is:

“The first duty prescribed by God for His servants is the recognition of Him Who is the Day Spring of His Revelation and the Fountain of His laws, Who representeth the Godhead in both the Kingdom of His Cause and the world of creation. Whoso achieveth this duty hath attained unto all good; and whoso is deprived thereof, hath gone astray, though he be the author of every righteous deed. It behoveth every one who reacheth this most sublime station, this summit of transcendent glory, to observe every ordinance of Him Who is the Desire of the world. These twin duties are inseparable. Neither is acceptable without the other. Thus hath it been decreed by Him Who is the Source of Divine inspiration.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 330-331

These are called The Twin Duties.

What has been sent down by God is His Laws.... In a summary format this is repeated:

“The beginning of all things is the knowledge of God, and the end of all things is strict observance of whatsoever hath been sent down from the empyrean of the Divine Will that pervadeth all that is in the heavens and all that is on the earth.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 5

Where the Christian train left the tracks is when Paul did away with the Law, saying it was unnecessary because those who believe in Jesus as Savior are saved by grace alone.

The following is from a thread I posted about a year ago, entitled How Paul changed the course of Christianity.

“The most essential and effective alteration of Jesus’s message carried out by Paul was in denying the Law’s power of salvation and replacing the idea of the Covenant, (235) the objective principle of the Jewish religion, with faith in Christ and the atoning power of his sacrificial death; the concrete mosaic law with a mystical doctrine of salvation. Here the Cause of God was robbed of its proper centre and transformed into a mixture of Judaism, Christianity and paganism. The original community recognized the devastating effect of the ‘Apostle to the Gentiles’ and did not watch it passively. The Jerusalem community sent teachers (‘false brethren’, Paul called them) to the new communities founded by Paul; they taught the true doctrine to the believers only just won for the Faith and opposed the doctrine taught by Paul. (236) Paul was such a controversial figure that Tertullian, in his pamphlet attacking Marcion, called him ‘Apostle to the Heretics’, and the Pseudo-Clementine Homilies declared him a false teacher, even indeed the anti-Christ.

This was the ‘Fall’ of Christianity: that Paul with his ‘Gospel’, which became the core of Christian dogma formation, conquered the world, (237) while the historic basis of Christianity was declared a heresy, the preservers of the original branded as ‘Ebionites.’ As Schoeps puts it, the heresy-hunters ‘accused the Ebionites of a lapse or relapse into Judaism, whereas they were really only the Conservatives who could not go along with the Pauline-cum-Hellenistic elaborations’. (238) Schonfield comes to the same conclusion: ‘This Christianity in its teaching about Jesus continued in the tradition it had directly inherited, and could justifiably regard Pauline and catholic Christianity as heretical. It was not, as its opponents alleged, Jewish Christianity which debased the person of Jesus, but the Church in general which was misled into deifying him.’ (239) ‘Pauline heresy served as the basis for Christian orthodoxy, and the legitimate Church was outlawed as heretical’. (240) The ‘small handful of true Christians’ was Nazarene Christianity, which was already extinct in the fourth century.”

Moses never made a covenant. It was God that made the covenant. He even spoke to the people himself, if you believe the Torah. Christians also believe that their "New Covenant" was made by God." Who cares if a covenant is made by a man?

Baha’is believe that God makes Covenants through His messengers. God does not speak directly to anyone else. Perhaps God made that one exception when God spoke to the Israelites on Mount Sinai but it was not the Israelites who revealed the Torah, it was Moses. The rendition I got from a liberal Jewish poster on another forum is that the people were so frightened by hearing God that they asked Moses to take over and be the intermediary.

Well, the covenant with Israel is both conditional and unconditional. For example, God gave the Land of Canaan to Abraham and his descendants through Isaac and Jacob without condition. However the right to live on the land is conditional on obedience. So there is always the possibility that we will not live on the land, even though during such times it still belongs to us.

Well, it is too bad I do not know more history and scriptures but religion and history were not subjects of interest to me most of my life and now here I am with other things I have to do. I might get to it someday though.

I am very glad you consider obedience so important..... Here is another thing Baha’u’llah said about the Law:

“God hath in that Book, and by His behest, decreed as lawful whatsoever He hath pleased to decree, and hath, through the power of His sovereign might, forbidden whatsoever He elected to forbid. To this testifieth the text of that Book. Will ye not bear witness? Men, however, have wittingly broken His law. Is such a behavior to be attributed to God, or to their proper selves? Be fair in your judgment. Every good thing is of God, and every evil thing is from yourselves. Will ye not comprehend? This same truth hath been revealed in all the Scriptures, if ye be of them that understand.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 149-150

 

[3rdAngel]

The Qur'an and the Writings of Baha'u'llah.

As posted before, I do not believe they are God's Word, if they are not in harmony with the bible. They are just a fulfillment of the prophecies of Matthew 24:24 designed to lead others away from God's Word. I do believe God has his people everywhere though and is calling them out to follow him in Spirit and in truth.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Well that is not true. If you did you would not have crucified the Messiah and known of his coming.

Excuse me? I wasn't around when Jesus was killed. I wasn't even in the neighborhood. Please stop blaming me.

Indeed that is why your still waiting in the airport for a plane that has already left.

You are also waiting and waiting. Why? Because your candidate for messiah simply didn't fulfill the messianic prophecies, so your answer is "Oh he'll do that next time around." Bah.

It is actually about both. ISRAEL represent both God's people (the body) and JESUS as the head of his people. They are the anti-type of Jacob (ISRAEL) and his children (the 12 sons; tribes of ISRAEL (Jacaob) *Genesis 35:22-26.

This makes zero sense.

Jesus and all those who believe and follow God's Word (his children) are God's true Israel

You are suddenly changing subjects. This is unrelated to our topic, and plus you are DUMPING (overwhelming your interlocutor with verses in an attempt to so busy him/her with work that he won't have time to put up an effective argument). It won't work.

As I've said before, this sort of replacement theology is the manure upon which anti-Semetism grows. Don't believe me? The terrorists that shot up the kosher grocery store a couple of days ago believed this. They hated Jews for being a "fake Israel." Yada yada.

You don't happen to be a Black Hebrew Israelite, are you?

There is no misappropriation of the scriptures if the nations of ISRAEL truly loved the scriptures they would not have forsaken them. Now according to the scriptures God's ISRAEL are all those who believe and follow Gods' Word.

The scriptures don't belong to you. The are written by Jews about Jews for Jews. If you are inspired by them, that's great. But if you want to interpret them out of context, you are not welcome to that. (Definitely my pet peeve.)

The Romans did execute JESUS on behalf of the leadership of ISRAEL

The Romans didn't do squat for the Jews.

You have no temple because God has left it desolate because you did not know what it represented or did you know what the sin offerings pointed to. Now your waiting in the airport for your plane to take you on holiday not knowing that your plan has already departed.

We have no temple because we hated without cause. The hatred of one Jew for another was enormous and scandalous. It stunned the mind. It is said that when we have learned to love without cause, the Temple will be rebuilt and the Messiah will come.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I am not insulting you. If you do not want to discuss David being the Messiah again that is fine by me, but I am not going to try to put the articles in my own words. Not only would it take too long but I would be changing the meanings of the authors.

My thought is that you are trying to put too much into a post. Our posts are already quite long. This is, after all, only a forum.

My advice to you is to pick out the BEST point or two from the article. To put the author's ideas in your own words actually shows excellent reading comprehension, but another alternative is simply to quote a very small section (and I mean small) from the text. Either way you cite.

No, I don’t have everything I need but it would not matter if I had the whole Torah/Tanakh, since I will not interpret it the way you do. I will never believe David is the Messiah so it is best not to discuss this anymore. You have your beliefs, I have mine. I already have my Messiah, you are still waiting for yours.

Yes, you really do have everything you need to understand about David. You are simply hard pressed to accept it because it conflicts with what you already believe. You simiply can't admit that you (or Bahai) are wrong.

I'll let it go, but I hope that you will remember that you walked away from the Tanakh rather than admit a problem. Just mull it over for a year or two.

Be well.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Well written post, btw.

Where the Christian train left the tracks is when Paul did away with the Law, saying it was unnecessary because those who believe in Jesus as Savior are saved by grace alone.

That and the incredibly creepy idea that a human sacrifie brings remission for sins.

The rendition I got from a liberal Jewish poster on another forum is that the people were so frightened by hearing God that they asked Moses to take over and be the intermediary.

Yes, but not before the entire People had heard God. Everyone heard the ten commandments.

Exodus 19:9 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and may also believe thee for ever.'

This thing where we ALL heard, not just Moses, sets Judaism apart from all other religions.

 

[Trailblazer]

As posted before, I do not believe they are God's Word, if they are not in harmony with the bible. They are just a fulfillment of the prophecies of Matthew 24:24 designed to lead others away from God's Word. I do believe God has his people everywhere though and is calling them out to follow him in Spirit and in truth.

I believe that they are God's Word that is renewed and readorned in every age:

“Once in about a thousand years shall this City be renewed and readorned…. That City is none other than the Word of God revealed in every age and dispensation. In the days of Moses it was the Pentateuch; in the days of Jesus, the Gospel; in the days of Muhammad, the Messenger of God, the Qur’án; in this day, the Bayán; and in the Dispensation of Him Whom God will make manifest, His own Book—the Book unto which all the Books of former Dispensations must needs be referred, the Book that standeth amongst them all transcendent and supreme.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 269-270

 

[Muffled]

You are not...

I believe I find it amusing that you so easily deny reality.

 

[Muffled]

What contradiction are you referring to?

I believe it is the contradiction saying that Jesus won't return just as He left. That in fact he was born of a man and woman. The NT says that Jesus will return the way He left.

 

[Muffled]

Baha’u’llah said that no Prophets would come after Him ere the expiration of 1000 years.

“Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying impostor. We pray God that He may graciously assist him to retract and repudiate such claim. Should he repent, God will, no doubt, forgive him. If, however, he persisteth in his error, God will, assuredly, send down one who will deal mercilessly with him. Terrible, indeed, is God in punishing! Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning is deprived of the Spirit of God and of His mercy which encompasseth all created things. Fear God, and follow not your idle fancies. Nay, rather follow the bidding of your Lord, the Almighty, the All-Wise.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 346

What prophecy are you referring to?

I believe he is wrong again. I have no idea what he is referring to when he says "this verse" unless he is talking about his own and that would be self deception.

 

[3rdAngel]

I believe that they are God's Word that is renewed and readorned in every age:

“Once in about a thousand years shall this City be renewed and readorned…. That City is none other than the Word of God revealed in every age and dispensation. In the days of Moses it was the Pentateuch; in the days of Jesus, the Gospel; in the days of Muhammad, the Messenger of God, the Qur’án; in this day, the Bayán; and in the Dispensation of Him Whom God will make manifest, His own Book—the Book unto which all the Books of former Dispensations must needs be referred, the Book that standeth amongst them all transcendent and supreme.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 269-270

You are entitled to your view. Mine is that if anything contradicts the bible is a false teaching.

 

[Riders]

Hes suppose to raise the dead from the ground. Sense so many people have been put to death with fire i think its impossible. Why would we want our old bodies anyways? Raise our spirits up just give us new bodies we dont need the old. Scripture makes no sense.

 

[3rdAngel]

Excuse me? I wasn't around when Jesus was killed. I wasn't even in the neighborhood. Please stop blaming me.

Your farthers were. They are the ones that sought to kill the Messiah because they did not believe and follow God's Word.

You are also waiting and waiting. Why? Because your candidate for messiah simply didn't fulfill the messianic prophecies, so your answer is "Oh he'll do that next time around." Bah.

2 Peter 3:4; 10 [3], Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, [4], And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. [10], But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2 Peter 3:9 [9],The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

This makes zero sense.

Your fathers believed the same things and God told ISAIAH to tell them; Hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and not perceive, for the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.*ISAIAH 6:9-10.

You are suddenly changing subjects. This is unrelated to our topic, and plus you are DUMPING (overwhelming your interlocutor with verses in an attempt to so busy him/her with work that he won't have time to put up an effective argument). It won't work.

I have not changed the subject at all. I have only provided scripture to show who God's true ISRAEL is according to the scriptures in relation to your claims about the Gospel of Matthew in relation to Hosea 11:1 and Matthew 2:15 and JESUS not being God's son ISREAL as well as His people. Your simply trying to hand waive God's Word and pretend the scriptures do not exist. According to the scriptures today God's ISRAEL are all those who believe and follow God's Word.

As I've said before, this sort of replacement theology is the manure upon which anti-Semetism grows. Don't believe me? The terrorists that shot up the kosher grocery store a couple of days ago believed this. They hated Jews for being a "fake Israel." Yada yada.

There is no such thing as "replacement theology". It is simply a term invented by men by those who do not believe the scriptures pointing to the coming of the Messiah revealed in JESUS and the fulfillment of the New Covenant promise of JEREMIAH 31:31-34 of God's ISRAEL who are all those who believe and follow God's Word.

The scriptures don't belong to you. The are written by Jews about Jews for Jews. If you are inspired by them, that's great. But if you want to interpret them out of context, you are not welcome to that. (Definitely my pet peeve.)

You should be peeved at yourself then. Your still in the airport and don't know that you have missed the plane when the notice board is showing your plane has already departed closing your eyes and ears as said the prophet ISAIAH, crying "out of context" yet you yourself provide nothing except to ingore God's Word.

The Romans didn't do squat for the Jews.

Sure they did. The crucified the Messiah for your fathers because they did not believe or follow God's Word and did not know the day of their visitation.

We have no temple because we hated without cause. The hatred of one Jew for another was enormous and scandalous. It stunned the mind. It is said that when we have learned to love without cause, the Temple will be rebuilt and the Messiah will come.

Nope you have no temple because earthly shadows have passed away and are fulfilled in the new and because of the Judgments of God. ISRAEL as a nation did not put an end to sin *DANIEL 9:24-27 now God's ISRAEL are all those who believe and follow God's Word.