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What would an Islamic Germany look like?

Princeps Eugenius

Active Member
Ah, I forgot that all the refugees in Europe and most of the Muslims in the world care about an Imam that no one has heard of.
Do you live in the west yourself? Do you have a large population of muslims or middle easterners in your area? where i live like 15-20% are muslim middle easterners and MOST of them actively SEARCH to date with german girls. many of them HAVE german girlfriends and the guys who i went to school with and many others (friends of my brothers) treat these girls like crap. they abuse them for sex or money mostly. and for some strange reason some of the girls enjoy that kind of relationship (when they are still young that is, older women tend to be more seeking to find friendly guys). now the turks and arabs didnt see it as a great importance to marry the german girls and convert them to islam, they treat them as some sort of sex concubine and side issue for the most part.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
This is my experience from what i see on the streets of my hometown.

Right, well you do realize that such a means of trying to measure the likelihood of something are doomed to fail since they do not even include the most basic principles needed for calculating the odds of a baby being boy or girl being born somewhere. That is, anecdotal evidence is pretty weak when concerning the likelihood of an event.

I havent heard of that yet. all the turks/albanians/arabs i had the pleasure to go to school with are still living here. ive met many of them recently.

Right, well you aren't very likely to have the pleasure to go to school with a Turk or Arab who isn't still living there.

Western Girls go by what the society considers to be the norm not their own sense of right and wrong. even the educated ones are mostly this way.

I'll let all the Western Girls reply to that one if they so wish.


The length of time there will be refugees, the number that actually shows up, the number who decide to return in the future, the number who lose their faith, the number who have children who lose their faith, the number who interbreed, future birth rates, and stuff that I wouldn't even be aware of considering, I'm sure.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
This Imam's views are the norm, not the exception.

Then why are you quoting him and not anyone else, including any of the refugees, or anyone who is even from Syria, for that matter?

You pro Islamic liberals always crack me up, ignorance at its finest.

I know, my ignorance is pretty fine. Knowing it well keeps me from stating ridiculous claims about populations 100 years from now with basically little to no salient data.
 

MD

qualiaphile
I know, my ignorance is pretty fine. Knowing it well keeps me from stating ridiculous claims about populations 100 years from now with basically little to no salient data.

These projections are based on TFRs, migration and now refugees. You can continue to put your own ignorant head in the sand, but I personally do not want to see Sharia come to the West and have to migrate AGAIN as my people have done due to Islamic oppression and genocide for centuries.

Liberals are the biggest traitors to the West, period.
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/million-refugees-arrive-germany-year-150914101006005.html

Since the native German TFR is the lowest in the world (1.43), it would suggest that the native German population will decrease each generation by about 25-30%. Germany has also said they are planning on taking 500,000 refugees a year for several years. Assuming that most of these refugees are Syrian (which they are not but whatever), that shows the Syrian TFR to be 2.4. However a large chunk of these refugees are from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sub Saharan and East Africa where the TFR is considerably higher and the regions are still mostly Islamic. The TFR should be rounded up for refugees up to 3.0 if you include other ethnic groups. With an average TFR of 3.0, it results in a 25-30% increase per generation. Throw in immigration from Islamic countries and that amounts to at least a million Muslims a year. Let's assume Germany takes in a million Muslim immigrants and refugees (Germany has already promised to take 500,000) a year over say 5 years, that would amount to:

2015 - 6 million
2016 - 7 million
2017 - 8 million
2019- 9 million
2020 - 10 million

If each generation is about 30 years, extrapolating projections based on TFR gives:

2050: Non Muslim German population falls from 76 million to 53 million (with a 30% drop)
Muslim German population rises from 10 million to 13 million (with a 30% rise)

Assuming lifespans increase and TFRs drop for native Muslim population we have:

2080: Non Muslim German population falls from 53 million to 40 million (with a 25% drop)
Muslim German population rises from 13 million to 16 million (with a 25% rise)

Let's assume the overall population stays constant and Germany takes immigrants from other parts of the world, say India, China, Russia, ME and EU. As of now 20% of Germany is comprised of non ethnic Germans, and 1/8 of these legal immigrants are Muslims. Thus following the same demographic in 2080, the native born German population (born Muslim and non Muslim Germans) would be 56 million and to keep population of Germany stable at 80 million, that would require another 24 million million immigrants. If 12.5% of these 24 million native immigrants are Muslim, that's around 3 million Muslims, which would mean by 2080 the Islamic population of Germany would be 19 million and Non Muslim population will be 69 million. By mid 22nd century both populations would be equal.

We are assuming that the TFRs stay constant, which probably is wrong and will fall as is the current trend in the world. We are also assuming that Islamic religiosity stays constant, but one can argue that it could rise rather than fall. There is no shortage of poor Muslim refugees who will continue to stream into Europe for the next century, and if Germany continues to stay open it will continue to accept these Muslim refugees and thus offset the drop in native German Islamic TFR.

There is no doubt in my mind that Germany and probably Europe will have a Muslim majority in just over a 100 years, however the direction of Islamization is important. The actress who played Shae on Game of Thrones is a European Muslim, but so are the thousands of jihadists who have joined ISIS and Al Nusra.

What direction will German Islam take? What would a German state with a majority Islamic population look like?

an anti-semitic socialist dictatorship, just like 1939
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Do you live in the west yourself?

Yup.

Do you have a large population of muslims or middle easterners in your area? where i live like 15-20% are muslim middle easterners

About 1.5% of the local population are Muslim, higher than the national average. Probably a few to ten thousand Muslims in this city. 15-20% Did you hand cont that one too? You must live in the most highly concentrated area of Muslims in Germany.

and MOST of them actively SEARCH to date with german girls. many of them HAVE german girlfriends and the guys who i went to school with and many others (friends of my brothers) treat these girls like crap. they abuse them for sex or money mostly. and for some strange reason some of the girls enjoy that kind of relationship (when they are still young that is, older women tend to be more seeking to find friendly guys).

I find it very hard to believe that young males are trying to date and have sex with young women.

now the turks and arabs didnt see it as a great importance to marry the german girls and convert them to islam, they treat them as some sort of sex concubine and side issue for the most part.

Ah, so it's not really about spreading Islam?
 

Princeps Eugenius

Active Member
Right, well you do realize that such a means of trying to measure the likelihood of something are doomed to fail since they do not even include the most basic principles needed for calculating the odds of a baby being boy or girl being born somewhere. That is, anecdotal evidence is pretty weak when concerning the likelihood of an event.
If you didnt know as of yet: in all western countries there are MILLIONS more women than men. there has existed, for a long time, an imbalance of females born to that of boys born. in germany i believe there are 5-8 MILLIONS more women than men. meaning that when all german men would get married 5-8 MILLIONS would remain loners. and just think of all the gays and celebate men! this leaves dozen of millions of females without a partner. the famous muslim sheikh ahmad deedat used to make this argument constantly in his lectures: you have more men than women so this proves my quran true that polygamy is legit so that everybody find a partner!


Right, well you aren't very likely to have the pleasure to go to school with a Turk or Arab who isn't still living there.
Turks and arabs have become permanent residence, via law, i believe.

I'll let all the Western Girls reply to that one if they so wish.
yeah, please. they might act tough and confident on the internet but in real life situation they behave very differntly.

The length of time there will be refugees, the number that actually shows up, the number who decide to return in the future, the number who lose their faith, the number who have children who lose their faith, the number who interbreed, future birth rates, and stuff that I wouldn't even be aware of considering, I'm sure.
All of these numbers would speak in our favor. this is personal experience bro.
 
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dust1n

Zindīq
These projections are based on TFRs, migration and now refugees. You can continue to put your own ignorant head in the sand, but I personally do not want to see Sharia come to the West and have to migrate AGAIN as my people have done due to Islamic oppression and genocide for centuries.

"...If you see my very crude and basic math..."

Liberals are the biggest traitors to the West, period.

You said you were an immigrant to the West, right?
 

MD

qualiaphile
"...If you see my very crude and basic math..."

You said you were an immigrant to the West, right?

Yeap, who follows the laws, admires secularism, and does not want Sharia law. I'm not against immigration, I'm against Islamic reverse colonization.

What's your point?
 
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Princeps Eugenius

Active Member
About 1.5% of the local population are Muslim, higher than the national average. Probably a few to ten thousand Muslims in this city. 15-20% Did you hand cont that one too? You must live in the most highly concentrated area of Muslims in Germany.
4 out of 20 were middle eastern muslims. you do the math.

I find it very hard to believe that young males are trying to date and have sex with young women.
They ethnically select german, blonde preferably, girls.

Ah, so it's not really about spreading Islam?
To the more serious muslim men its about converting them. But i realized that when the muslim young men 16-20 are still below the age of adulthood they tend to emhesize less on their religion and put fun first. later they become alot more religious though. just like a couple of guys i knew they became ultra orthodox going to mosque every day on time.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Yeap, who follows the laws, admires secularism, and does not want Sharia law. I'm not against immigration, I'm against Islamic reverse colonization.

What's your point?

Besides your crude and simple math being inadequate to accurately describe the situation. You could be right, but your argument doesn't provide a very good basis for making the claim that a century, Europe will be a majority Islamic.

And I just asked. Never been called a traitor by immigrant before, so just logging it in my list of first.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
4 out of 20 were middle eastern muslims. you do the math.

Source?

They ethnically select german, blonde preferably, girls.

Oh, nos, good thing girls are free to date whom they choose to date.

To the more serious muslim men its about converting them. But i realized that when the muslim young men 16-20 are still below the age of adulthood they tend to emhesize less on their religion and put fun first. later they become alot more religious though. just like a couple of guys i knew they became ultra orthodox going to mosque every day on time.

You seem to be giving me contradictory information regarding motives...
 

MD

qualiaphile
Besides your crude and simple math being inadequate to accurately describe the situation. You could be right, but your argument doesn't provide a very good basis for making the claim that a century, Europe will be a majority Islamic.

And I just asked. Never been called a traitor by immigrant before, so just logging it in my list of first.

What a stupid statement, anyone can be a traitor.

I've been here for 20 years so I'm a citizen. Since you live in America you yourself are the descendant of an immigrant.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Well I've been here for 20 years so I'm a citizen. Since you live in America you yourself are the descendant of an immigrant, so your point is invalid.

My post didn't attempt to make a valid point based off of anyone's ancestry.
 

Princeps Eugenius

Active Member
They went to school with me. I could give you their names if you want. last class i went to: 1 Pakistani, 1 Turk, 1 Kurd, 1 Albanian.

earlier class: 3 turk, 1 arab

Oh, nos, good thing girls are free to date whom they choose to date.
They are encouraged to date foreigners. ethnical germans are considered 'bland' and only immigrants and other cultures can 'spice' things up.
You seem to be giving me contradictory information regarding motives...
what would that be? they ethnically select girls to sleep with them. later in life they become orthodox and marry same german women and they then convert and they have offspring.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
They went to school with me. I could give you their names if you want. last class i went to: 1 Pakistani, 1 Turk, 1 Kurd, 1 Albanian.

earlier class: 3 turk, 1 arab

Wowser... you have a tenuous grasp on statistics at best...

Please provide a source that 20% of any given area in Germany is Muslim. A source being, someone with any amount of reputation and ability to investigate demographics in Germany who then compiled said information into some sort of document...

They are encouraged to date foreigners. ethnical germans are considered 'bland' and only immigrants and other cultures can 'spice' things up.

Who is encouraging German women to date foreigners?

what would that be? they ethnically select girls to sleep with them. later in life they become orthodox and marry same german women and they then convert and they have offspring.

"According to the 2006 figures from Germany's Federal Statistics Office, Turkish men accounted for 14% of foreigners married to German women, followed by Italians and Americans.[376] Conversely, German men marrying non-German women primarily choose Polish women, withRussian, Turkish and Thai women following in roughly equal numbers.[376]

Comparative sociologist Amparo Gonzalez-Ferrer argues that one of the main reasons why Turkish men marry Germans more than Turkish women do is due to Islam permitting men but not women to marry non-Muslims.[376] Dirk Halm, political scientist for the Center for Turkish Studies in Essen, remarked that considering Turkish citizens make up 25% of all foreign residents in Germany—not counting an additional one-third ethnic Turks who are German citizens—intermarriage rates in Germany are "in reality very low".[376]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage#Germany

Seems like you might need to more worried when I come to visit Germany. Watch out, Olga.
 
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