What would an Islamic Germany look like?

[Guy Threepwood]

I know what it means. .

OK good, so the point being that socialism is as much a fundamental guiding principle of extremist Islamic ideologies like Baathism (Arab socialist party), Al Qaeda etc, as it was to the German socialist party

unfortunately politics finds its way into religion as it does everything else, the Catholic church is certainly an example of that is it not?

 

[MD]

OK good, so the point being that socialism is as much a fundamental guiding principle of extremist Islamic ideologies like Baathism (Arab socialist party), Al Qaeda etc, as it was to the German socialist party

unfortunately politics finds its way into religion as it does everything else, the Catholic church is certainly an example of that is it not?

Baathism is not an Islamic ideology

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

Wowser... you have a tenuous grasp on statistics at best...

Please provide a source that 20% of any given area in Germany is Muslim. A source being, someone with any amount of reputation and ability to investigate demographics in Germany who then compiled said information into some sort of document...

I believe ethnic census is forbidden in germany so the only evidence i can give is my own. you have to remember that my class were BEFORE the recent immigration wave. i went to my last class in 2010. Also i rode by a school by the other day, last week i believe, and there 1 african boy and 1 middle easter came in my way and they both were playing around with 3 fair german girls. then i saw 1 german blonde girl and 1 african girl. your nowaday modern german class. but i have to admit africans are rare and this was a random encounter. i just so happend to ride by after the 'recess?' bell ringed.

Who is encouraging German women to date foreigners?

adverteising companies, media , state-sponsored programs to promote multiculturalism

Seems like you might need to more worried when I come to visit Germany. Watch out, Olga.

This is not a current representation of the demographics. i see this **** everyday bro your politcally motivated statistics dont give the true numbers.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Baathism is not an Islamic ideology

there may be an academic definition by which you can claim Baathism is not an Islamic ideology-

in practical reality, there is a reason Saddam added religious words to the country's flag and publically displayed a Koran (claimed at least to be) written in his own blood. The party was very much populated according to particular Islamic beliefs (sunni)

Religion was used as a means to a socialist end, as in large part with Al Qaeda

 

[dust1n]

I believe ethnic census is forbidden in germany so the only evidence i can give is my own. you have to remember that my class were BEFORE the recent immigration wave. i went to my last class in 2010. Also i rode by a school by the other day, last week i believe, and there 1 african boy and 1 middle easter came in my way and they both were playing around with 3 fair german girls. then i saw 1 german blonde girl and 1 african girl. your nowaday modern german class. but i have to admit africans are rare and this was a random encounter. i just so happend to ride by when the 'recess?' bell ringed.

Migrant background in Germany

Germans[43] (80.0%)
other Europeans (11.6%)
Turks (3.7%)
Asians (1.7%)
Africans (0.7%)
Americans (0.5%)
Others/unspecified (1.8%)

and...

"The Federal Statistical Office defines persons with a migrant background as all persons who migrated to the present area of the Federal Republic of Germany after 1949, plus all foreign nationals born in Germany and all persons born in Germany as German nationals with at least one parent who migrated to Germany or was born in Germany as a foreign national. The figures presented here are based on this definition only.

Total population is 80.2 million.[36]

• German citizens: 74 million (92.3% of total population)[36]
• German citizens of no migrant background: 64.7 million (80% of total population)[37]
• German citizens of immigrant background: 9.9 million (12.3%)
• Foreign nationals: (7.7%)[36]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany


Unless you are in Berlin, I don't see how it is mathematically possible that any other area in Germany could have 1/5 Muslims.

adverteising companies, media , state-sponsored programs to promote multiculturalism

Examples?

This is not a current representation of the demographics. i see this **** everyday bro your politcally motivated statistics dont give the true numbers.

Well, it is 9 years old, so. If I knew where to few more recent data, I would find more recent data.

By the way, I'm not sure why the German Office of Statistics would have political motivation to represent the demographics of Germany, but whatever.

 

[MD]

there may be an academic definition by which you can claim Baathism is not an Islamic ideology-

in practical reality, there is a reason Saddam added religious words to the country's flag and publically displayed a Koran (claimed at least to be) written in his own blood. The party was very much populated according to particular Islamic beliefs (sunni)

Religion was used as a means to a socialist end, as in large part with Al Qaeda

Assad is a Shi'a and a Baathist. They are Muslim only in name or culture, and Saddam did all those things to garner support from his Sunni constituents. Al Qaeda and ISIS and other REAL threats are against Baathism, democracy and anything resembling secularism.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Baathism is not an Islamic ideology

Wow. Is there anything he's correct about? Lol.

 

[Flankerl]

Wowser... you have a tenuous grasp on statistics at best...

Please provide a source that 20% of any given area in Germany is Muslim. A source being, someone with any amount of reputation and ability to investigate demographics in Germany who then compiled said information into some sort of document...



Who is encouraging German women to date foreigners?



"According to the 2006 figures from Germany's Federal Statistics Office, Turkish men accounted for 14% of foreigners married to German women, followed by Italians and Americans.[376] Conversely, German men marrying non-German women primarily choose Polish women, withRussian, Turkish and Thai women following in roughly equal numbers.[376]

Comparative sociologist Amparo Gonzalez-Ferrer argues that one of the main reasons why Turkish men marry Germans more than Turkish women do is due to Islam permitting men but not women to marry non-Muslims.[376] Dirk Halm, political scientist for the Center for Turkish Studies in Essen, remarked that considering Turkish citizens make up 25% of all foreign residents in Germany—not counting an additional one-third ethnic Turks who are German citizens—intermarriage rates in Germany are "in reality very low".[376]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage#Germany

Seems like you might need to more worried when I come to visit Germany. Watch out, Olga.

General fun fact about German statistics: If you have German Citizenship you fall out of the whole "Interracial"(next fun fact: Race does not exist in Germany and what the US and other countries do is illegal in Germany) stuff because as far as the state is concerned you are German. Though most people view that differently.

Unless you are in Berlin, I don't see how it is mathematically possible that any other area in Germany could have 1/5 Muslims.

Okay I laughed.
Frankfurt/Main, Duisburg(Marxloh), Bremen, Offenbach...

By the way, I'm not sure why the German Office of Statistics would have political motivation to represent the demographics of Germany, but whatever.

The same reason why there are now even cases of Germans being thrown out of their rented apartments to accommodate refugees. (S: http://www.stern.de/wirtschaft/immo...ssen-wegen-eigenbedarf-ausziehen-6465914.html)

I mean yeah why would the state aka Government ever do something that goes against the interests of its citizens or even lie. This is like totally new territory.

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

Migrant background in Germany

Germans[43] (80.0%)
other Europeans (11.6%)
Turks (3.7%)
Asians (1.7%)
Africans (0.7%)
Americans (0.5%)
Others/unspecified (1.8%)

and...

"The Federal Statistical Office defines persons with a migrant background as all persons who migrated to the present area of the Federal Republic of Germany after 1949, plus all foreign nationals born in Germany and all persons born in Germany as German nationals with at least one parent who migrated to Germany or was born in Germany as a foreign national. The figures presented here are based on this definition only.

Total population is 80.2 million.[36]

• German citizens: 74 million (92.3% of total population)[36]
• German citizens of no migrant background: 64.7 million (80% of total population)[37]
• German citizens of immigrant background: 9.9 million (12.3%)
• Foreign nationals: (7.7%)[36]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany


Unless you are in Berlin, I don't see how it is mathematically possible that any other area in Germany could have 1/5 Muslims.



Examples?



Well, it is 9 years old, so. If I knew where to few more recent data, I would find more recent data.

By the way, I'm not sure why the German Office of Statistics would have political motivation to represent the demographics of Germany, but whatever.

You should trust somebody who lives in germany far more than you trust random numbers on a page. If i tell you that when i went to class (before the immigration wave of 2012-2015) there were 4 out of 20 muslim kids, then you should believe me. i am not lying, i have nothing to gain from this. I live in northern germany, perhaps its not as bad elsewhere but my town is nothing special infact there is little work so the immigrants coming here are not coming to get some sort of cultural or financial enrichment. its because they cant find any other city to go to and get proportionally displaced. now i am sure that 6 out of 20 kids will be a foreigner of some sort. i am also very sure that Turks alone make up ATLEAST 10% of the population here. ofcourse there are other 'black-haired' middleeasterners but you are never sure which country they come from(they spoke arabic the other day), these middle easterners make up 15%-20% of the town altogether (including turks) easily. there are also indians, wearing their strange oriental clothing like 2% and some africans but africans are less than 5% perhaps like 2% also.

No way in hell are there 80% germans where i live. There are many polish people, eastern europeans and so on they make up like 15% too. so 15%+15% is 30% meaning that there are roughly less than 70% germans and this is far more believable when you took a walk in my city. And even then the 70% would be unbelieavbly high number to give to the faces you see.


As for multicultural enrichment programs sponsored by the state: i saw a leaflet the other day i went to the doctor to get my blood tested and it was about promoting different culture and a german girl was mixing colors experimenting with different cultures so to say. and the advertisement industry clearly promotes interracial relationships. promoting black males with european females where they lay in bed. have huge billboards of good looking fit africans dressed in fine clothing with nice watches. (even when there are not even 5% of them here).

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Assad is a Shi'a and a Baathist. They are Muslim only in name or culture, and Saddam did all those things to garner support from his Sunni constituents. Al Qaeda and ISIS and other REAL threats are against Baathism, democracy and anything resembling secularism.

OK, so Sunni in Iraq, Shia in Syria- both combine Islam and socialism- as do extremist groups- even if they oppose each other, Obviously Nazi Germany was not Islamic at all- the point being that there is a common thread to all these problem states/ideologies (past and present)

Nazi Germany, Iraq, Syria, USSR, Communist China, North Korea, clearly there is no common religious thread here whatsoever, it's socialism.

 

[MD]

The same reason why there are now even cases of Germans being thrown out of their rented apartments to accommodate refugees. (S: http://www.stern.de/wirtschaft/immo...ssen-wegen-eigenbedarf-ausziehen-6465914.html)

I mean yeah why would the state aka Government ever do something that goes against the interests of its citizens or even lie. This is like totally new territory.

Why are the German people allowing this?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

OK, so Sunni in Iraq, Shia in Syria- both combine Islam and socialism- as do extremist groups- even if they oppose each other, Obviously Nazi Germany was not Islamic at all- the point being that there is a common thread to all these problem states/ideologies (past and present)

Nazi Germany, Iraq, Syria, USSR, Communist China, North Korea, clearly there is no common religious thread here whatsoever, it's socialism.

Just stop. You're making a fool out of yourself.

 

[Pocongsetengahsalmon]

Assalamualaikum...
Peace upon everyone

As an Indonesian (Indonesia is a country which has the largest muslim populations in the world and the total population is over 250 millions). Germany would be just fine. Muslims are quite tolerance with other beliefs and religions.

We would probably see lots of halal products and restaurants in Germany though. Also , lots of mosque would be build.

 

[dust1n]

General fun fact about German statistics: If you have German Citizenship you fall out of the whole "Interracial"(next fun fact: Race does not exist in Germany and what the US and other countries do is illegal in Germany) stuff because as far as the state is concerned you are German. Though most people view that differently.

If that's the case, that it would impossible to say how that the "German" women that foreigners or Muslims were marrying, because a "German woman" doesn't necessarily entail of German origin.

Okay I laughed.
Frankfurt/Main, Duisburg(Marxloh), Bremen, Offenbach...

Which one has a 20% Muslim population, with a source, please?

The same reason why there are now even cases of Germans being thrown out of their rented apartments to accommodate refugees. (S: http://www.stern.de/wirtschaft/immo...ssen-wegen-eigenbedarf-ausziehen-6465914.html)

Okay, the reason being?

I mean yeah why would the state aka Government ever do something that goes against the interests of its citizens or even lie. This is like totally new territory.

Ah, well, I guess I'll just assume that to be the case then with no evidence at all.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Muslims are quite tolerance with other beliefs and religions.

I'm sorry, but is this a joke?

 

[dust1n]

You should trust somebody who lives in germany far more than you trust random numbers on a page.

Actually, concerning statistics, no I shouldn't. By definition, if the numbers on a page are truly random, that would many times more trustworthy data than anecdotal evidence..

[quote[If i tell you that when i went to class (before the immigration wave of 2012-2015) there were 4 out of 20 muslim kids, then you should believe me. i am not lying, i have nothing to gain from this. I live in northern germany, perhaps its not as bad elsewhere but my town is nothing special infact there is little work so the immigrants coming here are not coming to get some sort of cultural or financial enrichment. its because they cant find any other city to go to and get proportionally displaced.[/quote]

Right, but your class isn't a random segment of the general population... The ratio of muslims to non-muslims in classroom, doesn't speak anything about the ratio of Muslims anywhere in Germany.

now i am sure that 6 out of 20 kids will be a foreigner of some sort. i am also very sure that Turks alone make up ATLEAST 10% of the population here. ofcourse there are other 'black-haired' middleeasterners but you are never sure which country they come from(they spoke arabic the other day), these middle easterners make up 15%-20% of the town altogether (including turks) easily. there are also indians, wearing their strange oriental clothing like 2% and some africans but africans are less than 5% perhaps like 2% also.

No way in hell are there 80% germans where i live. There are many polish people, eastern europeans and so on they make up like 15% too. so 15%+15% is 30% meaning that there are roughly less than 70% germans and this is far more believable when you took a walk in my city. And even then the 70% would be unbelieavbly high number to give to the faces you see.

I didn't state the rest were Germans. I questioned the ratio of 1:4 ratio of Muslims to non-Muslims.

As for multicultural enrichment programs sponsored by the state: i saw a leaflet the other day i went to the doctor to get my blood tested and it was about promoting different culture and a german girl was mixing colors experimenting with different cultures so to say. and the advertisement industry clearly promotes interracial relationships.

Wait, explain this more? A leaflet the at the doctor's office talking about get a blood test for... the purposes of seeing one's ancestry?

promoting black males with european females where they lay in bed. have huge billboards of good looking fit africans dressed in fine clothing with nice watches. (even when there are not even 5% of them here).

These billboards with Africans dressed nice with watches? What are they selling?

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

I didn't state the rest were Germans. I questioned the ratio of 1:4 ratio of Muslims to non-Muslims.
1:4 is 25% 1:5 is 20%


Wait, explain this more? A leaflet the at the doctor's office talking about get a blood test for... the purposes of seeing one's ancestry?
I went to the doc to get my blood tested and there was a leaflet about multicultiralism, in which a young woman was mixing different colors, meaning that the native german culture is bland and only foreign cultures can spice up her life.


These billboards with Africans dressed nice with watches? What are they selling?
Im not even sure but the supermarket advertizing is far more advocating of interracial relationships. See yourself and be the judge! What youre going to say next though? Its their perfect right to be indoctrinated?

 

[Flankerl]

Muslims are quite tolerance with other beliefs and religions.

Haha

Too bad that I don't have forgotten how Muslims tried to storm the Synagogue of Rue de la Roquette in Paris a year ago.
That train has long left.

If that's the case, that it would impossible to say how that the "German" women that foreigners or Muslims were marrying, because a "German woman" doesn't necessarily entail of German origin.

The problem is you won't find anything about it in Germany as the entire Journalism circles are left wing. The few non-left wing ones are already crackpot right wing.

Which one has a 20% Muslim population, with a source, please?

Again there are no sources. During the Census people could leave out their religious affiliation and pretty much everything else that they wanted to. And the cities and states have their own goals.

You are of course free to take an evening stroll through Frankfurt, Duisburg or Offenbach. Enjoy and keep your mobile close.
Bonus points for wearing a Kippah.

Okay, the reason being?

The refugees which the city has to care for need a place to live in of course.

Ah, well, I guess I'll just assume that to be the case then with no evidence at all.

You are free to assume whatever you want. Meanwhile I live here and you don't. Whatever is actually true has no relevance to you as you simply don't live here.
You also don't know the political or media climate in Germany. Again you are free to assume whatever you want.

So uhm yeah, enjoy.

 

[Pocongsetengahsalmon]

I'm sorry, but is this a joke?

No it's not a joke, Muslims in Indonesia, UK, Malaysia, Brunei, Singapore, and Japan are quite tolerance.

Indonesia for example , has 6 main religions (Islam, Christian, Catholic, Hindu, Buddha, Confucius). And there's rarely friction with other religions.

Because Indonesia has the largest muslims in the world. Most Indonesian muslims are peaceful. We can concluded that the majority of muslims are peaceful and tolerance.

Islam and hindu communities in Bali
www.insideindonesia.org/keeping-bali-strong

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Just stop. You're making a fool out of yourself.

Cmon Franky, insults are the most graceless form of conceding defeat..

I don't think you are an idiot at all, but if you look into the history of Germany's national socialist party, aka Nazis, you'll find they didn't just call themselves socialists for fun, honestly! I'm always open to alternate theories though if you have anything substantive, that's what we're here for