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What would an Islamic Germany look like?

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Not sure if they are from Syria..though point taken.

From this site below:
Shannon Scribner, humanitarian policy manager at Oxfam America, said the most useful approach would be for world governments to find a political solution to the crisis in Syria, but since that is not expected any time soon, the organization is pushing for the US to resettle 70,000 Syrian refugees.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/03/aid-groups-senators-us-take-in-65000-syrian-refugees
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Or it could be that socialists will choose definitions ad hoc to allow only idyllic examples, & eliminate any bad ones.
When people abandon dictionaries to use their own definitions, that is a sign of mischief.
Or it could be that socialism and communism have actual definitions and aren't just labels to stick on anything you don't like (much like "fascism", too).
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Or it could be that socialism and communism have actual definitions and aren't just labels to stick on anything you don't like (much like "fascism", too).
This is why I so often post dictionary definitions....& not just dictionary.com.
It has really popped a few balloons here.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
And who is defending North Korea on here?

My point about "Western interests" is that they always attack and destroy socialist and communist movements and leaders that are actually helping the people, but they let the monsters like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, the Kims, Mugabe, etc. run wild.

We've attacked and killed a couple of monsters. Of course we created Hussein and Trujillo, Diem.
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
Or it could be that socialists will choose definitions ad hoc to allow only idyllic examples, & eliminate any bad ones.
When people abandon dictionaries to use their own definitions, that is a sign of mischief.


Cmon revolting, this is good stuff:

Nazis only pretended to be socialists

Stalin's USSR was capitalist

9/11 was an insurance fraud

The media has actually had a conservative bias all along

and academic definitions of things are more accurate than the real world!
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Cmon revolting, this is good stuff:

Nazis only pretended to be socialists

Stalin's USSR was capitalist

9/11 was an insurance fraud

The media has actually had a conservative bias all along

and academic definitions of things are more accurate than the real world!
Still living in fantasy land and lying about what people have said, I see.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Cmon revolting, this is good stuff:
Nazis only pretended to be socialists
Stalin's USSR was capitalist
9/11 was an insurance fraud
The media has actually had a conservative bias all along
And academic definitions of things are more accurate than the real world!
Add to this that I'm misogynistic for favoring egalitarianism & gender equality.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Just came back from there recently.. I still don't think they should be allowed to play with sharp objects...

I do like the autobahn and having two different buttons to flush the toilet with.. that's about it though
2-button toilets are already here, but just beginning to become popular.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Well then it doesn't really matter if the papers are right or left because you can't suppress or ignore data that never existed in the first place.

Oh the data probably exists. But like with all data its not really unchangeable and can be interpreted as the situation requires it.



Yeah it actually is.


Consider taking your own advice sometime, and maybe others will.

It's just a bit weird when someone from across the Atlantic Ocean tells me how the situation is where I live.


Well, I had said, "I'm not sure why the German Office of Statistics would have political motivation to represent the demographics of Germany, but whatever.'

The same reason the Government has a motivation to work with foreign intelligence agencies to spy on the average citizen.
Turns out politicians are not your friend and don't care about your well being.


You said, "The same reason why there are now even cases of Germans being thrown out of their rented apartments to accommodate refugees. (S:http://www.stern.de/wirtschaft/immo...ssen-wegen-eigenbedarf-ausziehen-6465914.html)"

"Okay, the reason being?"

And you said, "The refugees which the city has to care for need a place to live in of course. :)"

You lead me to believe here that the reason Germans were getting kicked out of the apartments is the same reason why the German Office of Statistics (9 years ago) fudged census records; the reason being "the refugees being a place to live."

So my response of "So the reasoning the Germany office of statistics if politically motivated to misrepresent how many Muslims exist in Germany some 9 years ago when the data is from, was because Syrian refugees need a place to live now?" actually makes sense, since you implied taht the reasoning the German Office of Statistics is politically motivated to misrepresent how many Muslims are in Germany is the same reason Germans have been kicked out of houses.

I must take it when you said, "The same reason why there are now even cases of Germans being thrown out of their rented apartments to accommodate refugees," you didn't mean the two reasons for both things were the same.

Need I remind you, that I'm just trying to clarify what you said to me responding to a post that wasn't even addressed to you?

"I mean yeah why would the state aka Government ever do something that goes against the interests of its citizens or even lie. This is like totally new territory. :D"

And responding to something that wasn't addressed to me? Good heaven!


I'm not sure what you are getting at here?

"Only several dozens of 1,275 attacks in 2013 traced to foreigners; right-wing extremists responsible for 1,218

Amidst fears of radicalization in the Muslim community, recently collected data suggests that 95% of antisemitic attacks in Germany were committed by right-wing extremists. According to figures presented last week to the German parliament, out of 1,275 incidents which occurred in 2013, neo-Nazis were considered responsible for 1,218 of them. "

These figures were presented by the government in response to questions from leading Green party MP's. “I was a bit astonished to receive these results,” admitted Volker Beck, one of the MP's. “The feeling in the Jewish community, as well as my feeling, was that there were more Muslim antisemitic attacks, but the statistics doesn't support that. This just proves that we need to research the issue more and to get a better assessment of what threatens the security of Jewish people and Jewish institutions in Germany.”

http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/inter...-german-jews-far-outnumber-those-by-islamists

Yeah yeah that gets repeated every single year. I mean I get it. They got it all figured. I am so glad that we stupid peasants to which it happens have no clue but the politicians do.
Turns out we got it all wrong, its actually just a mistake on our part. We simply mistook Muslims for Nazis. Oh well that can happen to anyone.
Jewish girl getting a swastika cut into her skin by rather brown people? Nazis obviously.
Thousands of black haired protesters with a rather not so light complexion marching past synagogues shouting "Death to the Jews", "Jew Jew cowardly Pig, come out and fight alone" or simply "Adolf Hitler"? Nah those were Nazis dressing up as Muslims. Probably Carnival.

Somehow the people at the Synagogue always have other fun stories every month and they rarely include Nazis. Weird.
I don't even know when the last Nazis harassed our Community or even stood on the other side of the street.
But I am so glad that we are all just imagining this stuff. This calls for a celebration stroll through some areas nearby. Perhaps a top with some Hebrew letters or even a Menorah.
But then again I am not insane.


Also Volker Beck? If it wasn't bad enough that he is a Green politician, he is actually one of those who always rally for the Muslims(who are never in the wrong and leading politicians of the party regularly declare their love for the Islamic world) and was one of the glorious Green politicians to be in favour of legalising paedophilia. Pretty much a human being which I wouldn't want to see in our Synagogue. But then again he is from Cologne, the German city with the biggest Homosexual community which is always in denial who is actually attacking its Homosexual citizens. So what can you really expect...
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/million-refugees-arrive-germany-year-150914101006005.html

Since the native German TFR is the lowest in the world (1.43), it would suggest that the native German population will decrease each generation by about 25-30%. Germany has also said they are planning on taking 500,000 refugees a year for several years. Assuming that most of these refugees are Syrian (which they are not but whatever), that shows the Syrian TFR to be 2.4. However a large chunk of these refugees are from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sub Saharan and East Africa where the TFR is considerably higher and the regions are still mostly Islamic. The TFR should be rounded up for refugees up to 3.0 if you include other ethnic groups. With an average TFR of 3.0, it results in a 25-30% increase per generation. Throw in immigration from Islamic countries and that amounts to at least a million Muslims a year. Let's assume Germany takes in a million Muslim immigrants and refugees (Germany has already promised to take 500,000) a year over say 5 years, that would amount to:

2015 - 6 million
2016 - 7 million
2017 - 8 million
2019- 9 million
2020 - 10 million

If each generation is about 30 years, extrapolating projections based on TFR gives:

2050: Non Muslim German population falls from 76 million to 53 million (with a 30% drop)
Muslim German population rises from 10 million to 13 million (with a 30% rise)

Assuming lifespans increase and TFRs drop for native Muslim population we have:

2080: Non Muslim German population falls from 53 million to 40 million (with a 25% drop)
Muslim German population rises from 13 million to 16 million (with a 25% rise)

Let's assume the overall population stays constant and Germany takes immigrants from other parts of the world, say India, China, Russia, ME and EU. As of now 20% of Germany is comprised of non ethnic Germans, and 1/8 of these legal immigrants are Muslims. Thus following the same demographic in 2080, the native born German population (born Muslim and non Muslim Germans) would be 56 million and to keep population of Germany stable at 80 million, that would require another 24 million million immigrants. If 12.5% of these 24 million native immigrants are Muslim, that's around 3 million Muslims, which would mean by 2080 the Islamic population of Germany would be 19 million and Non Muslim population will be 69 million. By mid 22nd century both populations would be equal.

We are assuming that the TFRs stay constant, which probably is wrong and will fall as is the current trend in the world. We are also assuming that Islamic religiosity stays constant, but one can argue that it could rise rather than fall. There is no shortage of poor Muslim refugees who will continue to stream into Europe for the next century, and if Germany continues to stay open it will continue to accept these Muslim refugees and thus offset the drop in native German Islamic TFR.

There is no doubt in my mind that Germany and probably Europe will have a Muslim majority in just over a 100 years, however the direction of Islamization is important. The actress who played Shae on Game of Thrones is a European Muslim, but so are the thousands of jihadists who have joined ISIS and Al Nusra.

What direction will German Islam take? What would a German state with a majority Islamic population look like?
this is haterfull thread against Muslims

why this come from you, you suppose live with Muslims for long time !!

on other hand , maybe in FUTUR will be new Nazis , and holocaust Muslims , why you escape this suppose question ?!
 

Mycroft

Ministry of Serendipity
this is haterfull thread against Muslims

why this come from you, you suppose live with Muslims for long time !!

on other hand , maybe in FUTUR will be new Nazis , and holocaust Muslims , why you escape this suppose question ?!

Don't worry, mate. People fear that which they don't understand. This time around it's Islam.

I wonder how many of them have actually read the Quran?
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Don't worry, mate. People fear that which they don't understand. This time around it's Islam.

I wonder how many of them have actually read the Quran?

So how exactly does it differ if a Jew has read the Quran or not when enraged Muslims try to storm his/her Synagogue?

Perhaps he/she could answer with "Khaybar, khaybar ya yahud, jaish muhammad saya'ud." They might think he's one of them.
A slogan which is of course in no way meant as a threat towards Jews. Nah its just their culture and we have to accept that.
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
2-button toilets are already here, but just beginning to become popular.

That's interesting I haven't seen any here yet- and I didn't see any single-buttons over there- mandated maybe?

I enjoy always using the large button regardless, that's about as much rebellion as I can muster at my age!
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Oh the data probably exists. But like with all data its not really unchangeable and can be interpreted as the situation requires it.




Yeah it actually is.




It's just a bit weird when someone from across the Atlantic Ocean tells me how the situation is where I live.




The same reason the Government has a motivation to work with foreign intelligence agencies to spy on the average citizen.
Turns out politicians are not your friend and don't care about your well being.




"I mean yeah why would the state aka Government ever do something that goes against the interests of its citizens or even lie. This is like totally new territory. :D"

And responding to something that wasn't addressed to me? Good heaven!




Yeah yeah that gets repeated every single year. I mean I get it. They got it all figured. I am so glad that we stupid peasants to which it happens have no clue but the politicians do.
Turns out we got it all wrong, its actually just a mistake on our part. We simply mistook Muslims for Nazis. Oh well that can happen to anyone.
Jewish girl getting a swastika cut into her skin by rather brown people? Nazis obviously.
Thousands of black haired protesters with a rather not so light complexion marching past synagogues shouting "Death to the Jews", "Jew Jew cowardly Pig, come out and fight alone" or simply "Adolf Hitler"? Nah those were Nazis dressing up as Muslims. Probably Carnival.

Somehow the people at the Synagogue always have other fun stories every month and they rarely include Nazis. Weird.
I don't even know when the last Nazis harassed our Community or even stood on the other side of the street.
But I am so glad that we are all just imagining this stuff. This calls for a celebration stroll through some areas nearby. Perhaps a top with some Hebrew letters or even a Menorah.
But then again I am not insane.


Also Volker Beck? If it wasn't bad enough that he is a Green politician, he is actually one of those who always rally for the Muslims(who are never in the wrong and leading politicians of the party regularly declare their love for the Islamic world) and was one of the glorious Green politicians to be in favour of legalising paedophilia. Pretty much a human being which I wouldn't want to see in our Synagogue. But then again he is from Cologne, the German city with the biggest Homosexual community which is always in denial who is actually attacking its Homosexual citizens. So what can you really expect...
Horrible, horrible situation. Do you think that you might leave Germany? I mean, who could blame you!
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Oh the data probably exists. But like with all data its not really unchangeable and can be interpreted as the situation requires it.

Sure..., but if the data exists, how they'd get it.

Yeah it actually is.

Violence is scary. You make it sound like Germany is the only town in the world where you don't want to have an expensive phone out, alone at night...

It's just a bit weird when someone from across the Atlantic Ocean tells me how the situation is where I live.

I don't mean too, I don't know how it is. The only information that apparently makes it across the Atlantic Ocean concerning German affairs probably isn't the best. But I don't suspect that anyone in the world is capable of actually calculating demographics just by looking around their surroundings.

I came in here questioning the claim of numbers presented that were either suggesting that Islam will be the majority religion in Europe within a century, which I find hard to believe, and that 20% of Germany is Muslim.

Let me give you an example. If I started claiming there's no more gun violence in America than anywhere else, I've never seen a gun kill anyone in my life, out of 20 classmates I had, literally none of them were shot to death, I wouldn't be misleading you about my experiences. I would be misleading you about how common gun violence is. How is this different? I can get a lot of information from talking to people from different parts of the world, but am I to accept every egregious claim?

The same reason the Government has a motivation to work with foreign intelligence agencies to spy on the average citizen.
Turns out politicians are not your friend and don't care about your well being.

No kidding.

"I mean yeah why would the state aka Government ever do something that goes against the interests of its citizens or even lie. This is like totally new territory. :D"
And responding to something that wasn't addressed to me? Good heaven!

Because the government often works against the interest of individual peoples, doesn't mean every governmental action is nefarious plot to manipulate masses for no clear reason.

I understand what corruption is. Generally, the government acts against the interestes of people for some sort of gain, personal mostly. So what exactly does anyone in the government stand to gain from having a million refugees enter the country, other than a pissed out native population?

Yeah yeah that gets repeated every single year. I mean I get it. They got it all figured. I am so glad that we stupid peasants to which it happens have no clue but the politicians do.
Turns out we got it all wrong, its actually just a mistake on our part. We simply mistook Muslims for Nazis. Oh well that can happen to anyone.
Jewish girl getting a swastika cut into her skin by rather brown people? Nazis obviously.
Thousands of black haired protesters with a rather not so light complexion marching past synagogues shouting "Death to the Jews", "Jew Jew cowardly Pig, come out and fight alone" or simply "Adolf Hitler"? Nah those were Nazis dressing up as Muslims. Probably Carnival.

Somehow the people at the Synagogue always have other fun stories every month and they rarely include Nazis. Weird.
I don't even know when the last Nazis harassed our Community or even stood on the other side of the street.
But I am so glad that we are all just imagining this stuff. This calls for a celebration stroll through some areas nearby. Perhaps a top with some Hebrew letters or even a Menorah.
But then again I am not insane.


Also Volker Beck? If it wasn't bad enough that he is a Green politician, he is actually one of those who always rally for the Muslims(who are never in the wrong and leading politicians of the party regularly declare their love for the Islamic world) and was one of the glorious Green politicians to be in favour of legalising paedophilia. Pretty much a human being which I wouldn't want to see in our Synagogue. But then again he is from Cologne, the German city with the biggest Homosexual community which is always in denial who is actually attacking its Homosexual citizens. So what can you really expect...

Okay, how about the Anti-Defamation League? And an American and German researcher?

"A recent Anti-Defamation League survey found that 24 percent of the French population and 21 percent of the German population harbor some anti-Semitic attitudes. A recent study of anti-Semitic letters received by Germany’s main Jewish organization found that 60 percent of the hate mail came from well-educated Germans. So this isn’t just a problem with young, disaffected Muslim men."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_worl...rance_hostility_to_jews_on_the_continent.html

Perhaps in your particular nook, the issue is particularly bad.
 
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