What would be evidence that God exists?

[Nimos]

Within the context of the passage I cited, the words He hath revealed refers to His scriptures, not His claim that He was a Messenger of God. Baha’u’llah never said that that his word is proof

Let me try something:

"In the year 2035, mankind will perish and from the ashes will a new and stronger mankind rise, for these are divine. And in them all living beings will find peace." written by Nimos in 2020.

Im now going to tell you that:

"In the year 2035 all living beings will find peace in a new mankind that is divine.", but seriously Trailblazer, don't just believe me because I say so. Instead I want you to examine my scriptures just above as they are the proof for me telling the truth.

You don't see any problems here?

If Baha'u'llah wrote the scriptures, they are his words, whether they are written down or he said them out loud. What difference does it make?

How do you KNOW they are weak, have you done any investigation of them? There is other evidence such as the Bible prophecies that He fulfilled and the predictions He made that came to pass, but these are what Bahaullah enjoined us to look at, so it is the best evidence.

You completely missed my point... I specifically said to look at it separately and not to start mixing other things into it.

If I tell you that "Im God" would you consider that good evidence simply, because I say so? And ignore everything else you know about me. Only look at me simply telling you something, and whether you would consider that good evidence?

Again don't mix anything else into this, the answer to the question should obviously be, that it is not good evidence

Baha’u’llah never asked you to take Him on His word, he asked us to do a full investigation of Him, His words and works, as noted in the quote above.

Again, didn't he write it, so what is the difference?

I would not ask that Christian to post the whole Bible as evidence on a public forum, I would ask them where in the Bible I should look so I can go and read for myself. It is unreasonable for atheists on this forum to ask me to post all the evidence for Baha’u’llah on this forum because there is so much evidence. Many, many times I have posted the ‘categories’ of evidence on this forum that people can research and I even posted links to where they could find the information to read.

But there are no other way to do it. You are right that telling people where to go read something is perfectly fine, if certain texts are relevant for what is being discussed.

But that is very different than to call out people for not wanting to investigate anything.

So what do people reply when you post these evidence? Because if im not mistaken you posted some of them to me as well, and how did I react to them?

But it is true that just because I cannot prove that Baha’u’llah was a Messenger of God that does not mean that He was not a Messenger of God, because proof is not what made Baha’u’llah a Messenger of God, God made Him a Messenger.

I agree with you on that... simply because you can't prove it, doesn't mean that he weren't a messenger of God. I told you that as well in the last post.

But that is not really what we are talking about here, because it's about whether or not other people find the evidence or claims good enough. Therefore it is completely irrelevant, whether we/he believe he were a messenger or not. Because it doesn't bring us closer to an answer, only sufficient and good evidence can lead to anything useful in this regard.

I never disagreed with you on this, I even told you this myself.

What I say is that I am convinced (or I believe) that Baha’u’llah was a Messenger of God; I do not say Baha’u’llah was a Messenger of God as if it was a fact, because then I would be making a claim I cannot prove.

Which is fine, I actually think our very first conversation was about this very issue... that it was about having faith in Baha'u'llah and God. And have no problem with that.

I agree, and I would not consider that evidence that God created the plagues because how could you ever prove that? I would say that the Bible as a whole is evidence that God exists but not the individual stories in the Bible. I believe that because I am a Baha’i and Baha’u’llah wrote that the Bible is God’s greatest testimony to His creatures, but if I was not a Baha’i I might believe it anyway because I would not have any other explanation for the Bible since I cannot see how all that could have been written without inspiration for God.

But what you are doing here is replacing your rational thinking with irrational thinking....

If I gave you a book about science and I told you (the truth) that according to pretty much all scientists half the stuff in it were either wrong or unconfirmed, then you wouldn't reach a conclusion that it were an amazing book, you would throw it in the garbage bin. A bit later, another person without any credentials whatsoever tells you it's the most amazing science book ever written, why would you believe such person?

What do you mean you can't see how it couldn't have been written without the inspiration of God? Its start off, being catastrophically wrong? It endorse morality that is so inhumane that, if a person wrote something like that today, everyone would look at them as being completely crazy.

Who in their right mind write this?

Exodus 21:3-6
3 - If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him.
4 - If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out alone.
5 - But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’
6 - then his master shall bring him to God, and he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall bore his ear through with an awl, and he shall be his slave forever.

Exodus 21:17
17 - “Whoever curses his father or his mother shall be put to death.

You honestly believe that this couldn't have been written without inspiration from God? What does that tell you about God? Don't forget, according to the bible, these are God's word, not mans. So as I see it, you have 3 options:

1. Either God apparently said it.
2. God doesn't care at all, whether these things are being told as if it was him that said it.
3. God had nothing to do with it.

Continue..

 

[Nimos]

Oh please…. The Bible alone is evidence. What is wrong with you atheists?

It's not evidence.

You can't use the very book that make the claim to begin with, to verify whether or not it is true. That makes no sense. Its like claiming that Lord of the rings is based on a true story and as evidence I give you that very book.

How do you explain the Bible? Is there any other book like it in the world?

The Quran claim to be the exact words of God given to Muhammad, that is even more amazing than what the Christians claim, isn't it?

My premise is that Messengers of God are the only real evidence that God exists because they are the evidence that God provides and wants us to look at in order to determine that He exists.

Since there is no way to know if God exists without a Messenger, we cannot verify that God exists FIRST and then demonstrate that Baha'u'llah is really a Messenger; we have to verify that Baha’u’llah is a Messenger FIRST, and then we know God exists.

But this is a circular argument as I pointed out in the post... So it doesn't matter where you start in this "circle", if you think it's better to start with Baha'u'llah then lets do that.

Since he is the only messenger, he is also the only one God talks to, so how do we determine whether he is lying or not?

Fine, we have his texts, but as I pointed out earlier, this is like taking the murders word for not having killed someone as being true, that doesn't work.

It's simply not a rational way to prove anything.

So to prove whether or not he is the messenger and therefore whether or not God exists, as you said that would natural follow, you are completely stuck.
There is no way for you to provide even remotely decent evidence.

And honestly that is the very issue that you run into, because there is no one that can verify anything that Baha'u'llah said, he have forced himself into a corner.
At least the other religions doesn't have this issue, because they don't share this view in regards to God.

You have that wrong Nimos, I have no burden of proof unless I am trying to prove something. I am not trying to prove anything to you, I am telling you that YOU have to prove it to yourself by doing the necessary investigation, because if I was ever able to prove it to you, then it would not be your belief YOU acquired, it would be a belief I proved to you. You are forcing me to bring out the big guns now.

Then you need to bring some even bigger ones, because it's simply not how you do these things.

The moment you make a claim, you have the burden of proof. Doesn't really matter what it is, unless its a "negative" claim. Like if I claim that I don't own a car, that is kind of difficult to demonstrate, right?

But if i claim, I own a red car and I think its very important for others to know this, then you can doubt it and the burden of proof is on me. In most cases, we simply ignore this, because most things are not really worth demanding proof for. Like you claiming to own cats, I wouldn't demand you to prove that, because whether or not you are lying about it, makes no difference to me and since its not especially uncommon for people to have cats, Ill simply trust you.
And most claims we handle like this.

In certain cases like amazing claims and scientific claims, we do actually demand evidence and proofs. And if these are not provided, we are in our good right to simply ignore them.

Science and religion are not the same because for scientific truth...

There is no such thing as scientific truth, there is only "Truth" and "Not truth".

Scientists can show us through what they publish, but we still have to read those journals, as the scientist is not going to explain all that to us.

Maybe not to us personally. But eventually these theories, if proven correct or relevant for a given study, will end up in school books.

Everyone has a different threshold of evidence. Some people need little evidence and some people need a lot of evidence, so some people need to do a more thorough investigation.

But would you agree, that this threshold is closely connected to whatever claim we are talking about?

If someone came to you and claim that they had rising from the dead, wouldn't you demand very good evidence for this and not just take their word for it?

Compared to me claiming to own a red car?

What would you expect them to have to back up their claims? That is the hundred-dollar question. Answer that and I will tell you if I think you are being unfair.

I honestly don't know, because I wouldn't even know where to start with the material you have available to you. And it's not only Bahai, its all religions.

Trailblazer said: That said, I can explain to you the reason why "Nobody else could EVER understand God direct communication from God" since Baha’u’llah explained it.

Nimos said: That would be a whole lot more interesting, than simply reading it as if it is a fact. So please do.

A Messenger of God (what Baha’is normally refer to as a Manifestation of God) is not an ordinary man...

If God communicated directly to everyone we would all just be automatons believing in God because God foisted Himself on us. And what about people who do not want to hear from God? If God communicated directly to everyone we would not have a choice.

So God made Baha'u'llah into an automaton? And "forced" himself on him, but in that case it is fine, because he is a messenger.. But Baha'u'llah had free will right? or did he lose that when God made him a messenger?

 

[CG Didymus]

The Book of Mormon is not a scripture.
What are the contradictions between the Bible and the Qur'an?

Then what is the Book of Mormon? The Scriptures of a false religion? Something Joseph Smith made up? He really didn't talk to an angel? But "true" manifestations did and their books are from God? So one Baha'i here likes to say, "By their fruits ye shall know them", meaning a false religion wouldn't bear good fruit. Who has better "fruit" Mormons or Moslems? Mormons and Catholics? Mormons and Baha'is?

And contradictions... Baha'is say that Ishmael, not Isaac, was taken by Abraham to be sacrificed. They say the Quran agrees with that. So both Jews and Christians are wrong when they say it is Isaac?

 

[CG Didymus]

It already is and He already is.

Isaiah 9:6-7 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Baha’u’llah set up a system of government and it has already been established among the Baha’is. The institutions of that government are fully operational, but still in their infancy. They will be more developed in the future as the prophecy says (increase in government).

As for the throne David, what does that mean? That means that the Most Great Law has come and God rules..

“The time foreordained unto the peoples and kindreds of the earth is now come. The promises of God, as recorded in the holy Scriptures, have all been fulfilled. Out of Zion hath gone forth the Law of God, and Jerusalem, and the hills and land thereof, are filled with the glory of His Revelation. Gleanings, pp. 12-13

“THE Most Great Law is come, and the Ancient Beauty ruleth upon the throne of David. Thus hath My Pen spoken that which the histories of bygone ages have related. At this time, however, David crieth aloud and saith: ‘O my loving Lord! Do Thou number me with such as have stood steadfast in Thy Cause, O Thou through Whom the faces have been illumined, and the footsteps have slipped!’” Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 89-90

Only for Baha'is it already is and he already has. There is no peace. And not even the "lessor" peace.

 

[Trailblazer]

Things go wrong within a religion and without a religion.
The Bible is full of stories of the people and the leaders going astray. Has Islam with its Laws created a fair and just society for its people?

Christianity and Islam are part of an older religious cycle. We have now entered a new religious cycle, the Cycle of Fulfillment, so the government will change, it will not be the same as it was in the past. It might not look like that yet, but we are only in the very beginning of a religious cycle that will last no less than 500,000 years, so we do not see the changes yet.

What do expect will happen? A country will have its secular laws non-Baha'i and another "God ordained" set of laws that only apply to Baha'is in that country? Will Baha'is have its own judicial system and police to enforce its own laws? Will God ever rule on Earth and establish peace?

I do not know what the new world order will look like or how it will unfold, it is too early yet, but God will not rule and establish peace, humans will do that.

God ushered in and brought about the Golden Age by sending Baha'u'llah, now the work is ours.

“God’s purpose is none other than to usher in, in ways He alone can bring about, and the full significance of which He alone can fathom, the Great, the Golden Age of a long-divided, a long-afflicted humanity. Its present state, indeed even its immediate future, is dark, distressingly dark. Its distant future, however, is radiant, gloriously radiant—so radiant that no eye can visualize it......”
The Promised Day is Come, p. 11

6od’s Purpose

 

[rational experiences]

There's lots of spiritual choices in the world these days. The Baha'i Faith is only one of them. A Christian can easily tell me the same kinds of things you keep telling me... "The choice is yours. Jesus (God in the flesh. The only way to reach God and the Savior of mankind etc.) is waiting for you to just believe and ask him into your heart and let him wash away your sins." And, Christians probably say that to you, a Baha'i... "Turn away from your false beliefs and come to Jesus. He loves you and if you knock, the door will be made open for you."

Lots of choices and what do most of us do? We read about them. Watch what the believers say and do. And, when we see some contradictions or strange beliefs, we decide not to believe. Most all religions can help a person... if the person really commits to believe in the religion. 'Cause most of them are only saying "be a good person and do right", then give a list of "thou shalt" do's and don'ts. Then they say what will happen to you when you die and on and on. And most all religions say and believe in a lot of weird things. And not all that "on and on" stuff makes sense to some people, so they can't commit to it and don't join up and "believe". Sure I have a choice. And it's to keep questioning you and other Baha'is on why you think what you "claim" is the truth.

If a male quotes a story, that involves hearing after the fact, change of the gas/spirit Medium, which affects his chemical brain and hearing capability. Seeing hearing, natural is to hear with the ear all sounds. If you begin to hear speaking voice, it is not natural.

Male reasoning, I own the speaking voice in my bio life chemical human being spiritual life body.

Then you would quote.....the reason I wrote the information was about why life in Genetic medical science biological reckoning was sacrificed/attacked.

When the Immaculate spirit, coldest gases balanced 12 is why I remain alive, versus 12 sacrificed immaculate coldest gases burning for 12 hours as the day.

Why I quote and the Day historically was named the Die.

For God the stone body owns the string history of the spirit of the Heavenly body as a planet.

No man as a human is in that thesis in actuality...for science does preach/themes and thesis just for the sciences, asides from self changes due to science aware conditions.

2 variations to the expression of science.

Yet if you lived owning a life not sacrificed, if you were going to teach you would have to quote to the scientist/Satanist who caused life to be irradiated by extra burning falling out gases....seeing the Holy womb said highest state in space owns the Immaculate. Never said it owned the sacrifice of the Immaculate as the highest state.

A relative science teaching to self man/human, the scientist.

Which would force you to quote, I live a holy healthy life only by even balances of 12/12.

If I got sacrificed/irradiated attacked, my cellular body would change (stigmata effect) and also my holy human blood would change (stigmata effect) due to extra radiation.

And he would quote, and God by the Father of sciences wisdom caused it....an adult and a male. For previously as a self quote historic, I was a baby, given back/returned my healthy DNA in a cooling atmosphere. I was born a holy healthy human baby...then by the Age of 33years old, I died sacrificed.

And quotes that for self man and male and human, seeing as a life body there is only one male/man of humanity living on Earth, as the science self who did it to self, sacrificed self man and male by God sciences.

Pyramid, and Temple/machine sciences linked to God the Earth changes.

Which historically was the condition that the spatial vacuum was constantly sucking upon the planet body historically to keep it cooling. For inside of its own body is a hot dense state. Why the holy Mother spatial womb was a Holy science preaching against self destruction.

For you own no control over spatial natural history actually.

Jesus, is a theme that quotes I live in the heavenly body flesh of the body of God, its spirits. Which belong to the stone.

And he only lives (quoted) in the Holy OX, his own quote symbol for self, oxygenation body of Holy Water using the food of the Gods, microbial energy as formed in water history, a body that is totally separate from my own being.

Water mass and microbes in that water mass. I only own what is inside of my own body, not what is outside of my own body.

God as the flesh, microbes/energy and water/oxygen therefore keeps my flesh alive and healthy and living, as a human quote.

For the self is first and natural and origin, without a string story about why you existed.

You did exist first, natural before you chose science, the machine reaction. So then you quoted why and how your life/cell blood and health ONLY owned by the bio living body. The atmosphere does not own blood, or human cells, we live as a separate body in water mass.

How it was taught.

Relativity, I however as a natural human own its state, not science or machine. If I give the natural mass to radiating science gases....my water oxygenated life food survival, the microbes get sacrificed out of the God spirit body of flesh and I die.

How it was equated to scientific reasoning for self life body/flesh and blood being changed and sacrificed. For it is only a human in a human pre existing natural life body and speaking stories as ideas who tells this story.

To pose a question and a thesis about self and how/why you got attacked, is to tell that story only due to the male/man human group having invented artificial radiating sciences that attacked self....by forcing the planet to release a level of cold radiation mass fusion that the whole planet owned in thesis. Not just the dust reaction.

God when you do a nuclear reaction releases the same amount of radiation cold held fused radiation itself as the equals sign was about the whole fusion of Planet Earth as a SEAL. Not just some nuclear chemicals, it was the radiation SEAL of the whole planet.

We stand on the planet, hence it attacked us, by releasing it out of the ground, the vacuum cannot rid it, so it remains on a O Earth fixed cycle. And then comes back into our atmosphere as God the stone released UFO radiation and attacks us.

For common sense would quote if the O Earth in a non stop same cycle keeps going around and around in the same place, there would not be any extra radiation to use.....so it was coming out of the Earth O God body itself.

Why a human male adult life said, I was born a Holy baby, information told me my baby life had died/been sacrificed before in chosen radiation sciences/ trans mutation of God mass, and I had eventuated to return/reincarnate back in life. HOLY.

Then once again I got sacrificed for the same science act/occult irradiation was re applied. How he told the story about his own man/male human life. Said his own human Father did it, a God theist in science.

 

[Trailblazer]

Then what is the Book of Mormon? The Scriptures of a false religion? Something Joseph Smith made up? He really didn't talk to an angel? But "true" manifestations did and their books are from God? So one Baha'i here likes to say, "By their fruits ye shall know them", meaning a false religion wouldn't bear good fruit. Who has better "fruit" Mormons or Moslems? Mormons and Catholics? Mormons and Baha'is?

Shoghi Effendi said that Joseph Smith was a seer, not a Prophet. I really do not know about the Book of Mormon. They might contain truth, but it is not a revelation from God.

From a Baha'i perspective, the good fruit is revealed by the Universal Manifestations of God like Christ, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah, but that does not mean good fruit cannot be found elsewhere.

And contradictions... Baha'is say that Ishmael, not Isaac, was taken by Abraham to be sacrificed. They say the Quran agrees with that. So both Jews and Christians are wrong when they say it is Isaac?

It seems like the Bible was wrong according to this statement from the Universal House of Justice:

The Bahá'ís believe what is in the Bible to be true in substance. This does not mean that every word recorded in that Book is to be taken literally and treated as the authentic saying of a Prophet. A striking example is given in the account of the sacrifice which Abraham was called upon to make. The Guardian of the Faith confirms that the record in the Qur'an and the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, namely that it was Ishmael, and not Isaac as stated in the Old Testament, whom Abraham was to sacrifice, is to be upheld. In one of His Tablets 'Abdu'l-Bahá refers to this discrepancy, and explains that, from a spiritual point of view, it is irrelevant which son was involved. The essential part of the story is that Abraham was willing to obey God's command to sacrifice His son. Thus, although the account in the Torah is inaccurate in detail, it is true in substance....

The Bible

 

[WalterTrull]

Really very simple: You and me.

 

[Trailblazer]

Only for Baha'is it already is and he already has. There is no peace. And not even the "lessor" peace.

The verse says "Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end," There is no set time frame for when peace will come, but there is less war now than in the past, so we are moving in the direction of peace.

. . . the precise circumstances attending the establishment of the Lesser Peace are not known to us; even its exact timing is concealed in the Major Plan of God.

The Universal House of Justice, A Wider Horizon, Selected Letters 1983-1992, p. 62

 

[ppp]

How are nonbelievers faring with what is going on all over the world, in this country? What hope can they have for the future? I feel sad for them.

Do you actually believe your own marketing where you think that hope necessarily derives from religious belief? Or that the alternatives to your beliefs are all dark and dismal? I think you are taking the propaganda of your religion too seriously.

 

[CG Didymus]

Have you watched the news lately?
Not to mention Covid-19 and a President that is off his rocker, the freaking country is burning down... the smoke from CA and OR is so bad up here I can barely breathe... The calamities are here and they are only going to get worse.

How long are we going to wait?

Lights of Guidance/Calamities and Crisis - Bahaiworks, a library of works about the Bahá’í Faith

Yes, but what was the news like in I844? Did the new day dawn or not? That's why Christians still might be right and the things that are happening now are the things that happen prior to the Return of Christ. If... the lessor peace happens, then things will look more like what Baha'i have predicted. But, Baha'i already blew that once by quoting Shoghi Effendi in their pilgrim notes as saying that the lessor peace will happen by the year 2000.

 

[CG Didymus]

Get a dictionary.

I say I am making no claims. I do not assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.

Say: utter words so as to convey information, an opinion, a feeling or intention, or an instruction.
say means - Google Search

Claim: state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.
claim means - Google Search

So you're saying that Baha'u'llah claims to be a manifestation, and in your opinion he is, but you wouldn't assert or state that he is? What? Why in your "opinion" is his claim correct? You don't have to answer this. You've stated your claim good enough already.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

There's lots of spiritual choices in the world these days. The Baha'i Faith is only one of them.

There has always been this diversity of Choice CG, but in this day, Baha'u'llah is saying that all the Messengers were the right choice.

So yes, we now have the choice as to what is relevant for this age, and what Messages are from God. I am not here to make your choices for you. I can only post what I see is the Message for this day. If it is, or if it is not God's Message for mankind, time will tell and either way many will eternally ponder the choices they have made in this time.

I am happy that my Choices are what all Gods Messengers have asked of Humanity, that is to unconditionally Love all People and serve each other, in any way we can, and to offer all the means that we can share with no thought of self. A daily task we can achieve little by little day by day.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

You are so funny CG....
I get your point, and that's why the Revelation of Baha'u'llah is much better evidence that God exists than the Bible.

I rest my case.

And Baha'is have a plan for peace too. Just say "No" We are all one. Religions are all one. Stop fighting each other and live by all these rules no drinking, no sex until you get married... don't do this but do this. Pray and fast. Love God. Love your neighbor. Don't hate. And will every one keep all the laws? Do they keep them now?

 

[CG Didymus]

There has always been this diversity of Choice CG, but in this day, Baha'u'llah is saying that all the Messengers were the right choice.

So yes, we now have the choice as to what is relevant for this age, and what Messages are from God. I am not here to make your choices for you. I can only post what I see is the Message for this day. If it is, or if it is not God's Message for mankind, time will tell and either way many will eternally ponder the choices they have made in this time.

I am happy that my Choices are what all Gods Messengers have asked of Humanity, that is to unconditionally Love all People and serve each other, in any way we can, and to offer all the means that we can share with no thought of self. A daily task we can achieve little by little day by day.

Regards Tony

I've used the Inquisition as an example before. In it we have two religions that from a Baha'i point of view had both been superseded by the newer teachings of Islam. So which person was more correct? The Jew being tortured to death for not believing that Jesus was God. Or the Christian torturing the Jew and trying to force them to convert and accept Jesus as their Messiah?

 

[CG Didymus]

"In the year 2035, mankind will perish and from the ashes will a new and stronger mankind rise, for these are divine. And in them all living beings will find peace." written by Nimos in 2020.

Are you just saying that or are you making a claim? Either way that is totally false, because in my religion it says it will happen in 2034. You are way off.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And Baha'is have a plan for peace too. Just say "No" We are all one. Religions are all one. Stop fighting each other and live by all these rules no drinking, no sex until you get married... don't do this but do this. Pray and fast. Love God. Love your neighbor. Don't hate. And will every one keep all the laws? Do they keep them now?

Imagine if they did, it would be peace.

Now it is up to each of us, to practice what was preached by God's Messengers. If one wants to stay Christian, be a good Christian.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I've used the Inquisition as an example before. In it we have two religions that from a Baha'i point of view had both been superseded by the newer teachings of Islam. So which person was more correct? The Jew being tortured to death for not believing that Jesus was God. Or the Christian torturing the Jew and trying to force them to convert and accept Jesus as their Messiah?

None of your stated actions were correct.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

If a male quotes a story, that involves hearing after the fact, change of the gas/spirit Medium, which affects his chemical brain and hearing capability. Seeing hearing, natural is to hear with the ear all sounds. If you begin to hear speaking voice, it is not natural.

Male reasoning, I own the speaking voice in my bio life chemical human being spiritual life body.

Then you would quote.....the reason I wrote the information was about why life in Genetic medical science biological reckoning was sacrificed/attacked.

When the Immaculate spirit, coldest gases balanced 12 is why I remain alive, versus 12 sacrificed immaculate coldest gases burning for 12 hours as the day.

Why I quote and the Day historically was named the Die.

For God the stone body owns the string history of the spirit of the Heavenly body as a planet.

No man as a human is in that thesis in actuality...for science does preach/themes and thesis just for the sciences, asides from self changes due to science aware conditions.

2 variations to the expression of science.

Yet if you lived owning a life not sacrificed, if you were going to teach you would have to quote to the scientist/Satanist who caused life to be irradiated by extra burning falling out gases....seeing the Holy womb said highest state in space owns the Immaculate. Never said it owned the sacrifice of the Immaculate as the highest state.

A relative science teaching to self man/human, the scientist.

Which would force you to quote, I live a holy healthy life only by even balances of 12/12.

If I got sacrificed/irradiated attacked, my cellular body would change (stigmata effect) and also my holy human blood would change (stigmata effect) due to extra radiation.

And he would quote, and God by the Father of sciences wisdom caused it....an adult and a male. For previously as a self quote historic, I was a baby, given back/returned my healthy DNA in a cooling atmosphere. I was born a holy healthy human baby...then by the Age of 33years old, I died sacrificed.

And quotes that for self man and male and human, seeing as a life body there is only one male/man of humanity living on Earth, as the science self who did it to self, sacrificed self man and male by God sciences.

Pyramid, and Temple/machine sciences linked to God the Earth changes.

Which historically was the condition that the spatial vacuum was constantly sucking upon the planet body historically to keep it cooling. For inside of its own body is a hot dense state. Why the holy Mother spatial womb was a Holy science preaching against self destruction.

For you own no control over spatial natural history actually.

Jesus, is a theme that quotes I live in the heavenly body flesh of the body of God, its spirits. Which belong to the stone.

And he only lives (quoted) in the Holy OX, his own quote symbol for self, oxygenation body of Holy Water using the food of the Gods, microbial energy as formed in water history, a body that is totally separate from my own being.

Water mass and microbes in that water mass. I only own what is inside of my own body, not what is outside of my own body.

God as the flesh, microbes/energy and water/oxygen therefore keeps my flesh alive and healthy and living, as a human quote.

For the self is first and natural and origin, without a string story about why you existed.

You did exist first, natural before you chose science, the machine reaction. So then you quoted why and how your life/cell blood and health ONLY owned by the bio living body. The atmosphere does not own blood, or human cells, we live as a separate body in water mass.

How it was taught.

Relativity, I however as a natural human own its state, not science or machine. If I give the natural mass to radiating science gases....my water oxygenated life food survival, the microbes get sacrificed out of the God spirit body of flesh and I die.

How it was equated to scientific reasoning for self life body/flesh and blood being changed and sacrificed. For it is only a human in a human pre existing natural life body and speaking stories as ideas who tells this story.

To pose a question and a thesis about self and how/why you got attacked, is to tell that story only due to the male/man human group having invented artificial radiating sciences that attacked self....by forcing the planet to release a level of cold radiation mass fusion that the whole planet owned in thesis. Not just the dust reaction.

God when you do a nuclear reaction releases the same amount of radiation cold held fused radiation itself as the equals sign was about the whole fusion of Planet Earth as a SEAL. Not just some nuclear chemicals, it was the radiation SEAL of the whole planet.

We stand on the planet, hence it attacked us, by releasing it out of the ground, the vacuum cannot rid it, so it remains on a O Earth fixed cycle. And then comes back into our atmosphere as God the stone released UFO radiation and attacks us.

For common sense would quote if the O Earth in a non stop same cycle keeps going around and around in the same place, there would not be any extra radiation to use.....so it was coming out of the Earth O God body itself.

Why a human male adult life said, I was born a Holy baby, information told me my baby life had died/been sacrificed before in chosen radiation sciences/ trans mutation of God mass, and I had eventuated to return/reincarnate back in life. HOLY.

Then once again I got sacrificed for the same science act/occult irradiation was re applied. How he told the story about his own man/male human life. Said his own human Father did it, a God theist in science.

Sorry, I'm not spiritually advanced enough to understand the things you're telling me.

 

[CG Didymus]

None of your stated actions were correct.

Regards Tony

So neither were correct? Let me simplify it. Should the Jew convert to Christianity, a Christianity that believed Jesus was God and believe in Satan and hell and followed the leadership of the Pope?